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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    Then explain to me why Christmas Break and Christmas concerts are how Winter Break and Holiday Concert? On everyuthing from the employee calendar at Best But to practically every school calendar across America?

    You're right...it's not a war on Christmas its a war on religion period. Or more specifically one particular religion.

    This is what an army buddy of mine said about this and I think he sums it up nicely:
    It's political correctness run amock. The reason why schools use those terms is because there are other holidays in this season-mostly New Year's and Hannukah. Using the term "Holiday Concert" was meant to be inclusive to others, including those who celebrate Christmas in a secular way. Using the term "Holiday Season" includes those other two holidays that fall in the general time period.

    I just don't get why some Christians get their panties in such a wad over this. If you still call it Christmas and celebrate the religious aspects of the holiday, why does it matter what terms Macys or Best "But" uses in their advertising or employee calender? Does it change the way you celebrate the holiday?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    It's political correctness run amock. The reason why schools use those terms is because there are other holidays in this season-mostly New Year's and Hannukah. Using the term "Holiday Concert" was meant to be inclusive to others, including those who celebrate Christmas in a secular way. Using the term "Holiday Season" includes those other two holidays that fall in the general time period.

    I just don't get why some Christians get their panties in such a wad over this. If you still call it Christmas and celebrate the religious aspects of the holiday, why does it matter what terms Macys or Best "But" uses in their advertising or employee calender? Does it change the way you celebrate the holiday?
    The goal is to get people to change the way they celebrate this holiday, preferably not celebrating it at all.
    George Orwell knew that if you can control the language you control pretty much everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tipsycatlover View Post
    The goal is to get people to change the way they celebrate this holiday, preferably not celebrating it at all.
    George Orwell knew that if you can control the language you control pretty much everything.

    You have it all wrong. There aren't enough atheists in the world to cause a minute fraction of damage to Christmas that Santa Claus, and the consumer culture, has done.



    We were keeping our eye on 1984. When the year came and the prophecy didn't, thoughtful Americans sang softly in praise of themselves. The roots of liberal democracy had held. Wherever else the terror had happened, we, at least, had not been visited by Orwellian nightmares.

    But we had forgotten that alongside Orwell's dark vision, there was another - slightly older, slightly less well known, equally chilling: Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. Contrary to common belief even among the educated, Huxley and Orwell did not prophesy the same thing. Orwell warns that we will be overcome by an externally imposed oppression. But in Huxley's vision, no Big Brother is required to deprive people of their autonomy, maturity and history. As he saw it, people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think.

    What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions". In 1984, Huxley added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we hate will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us.
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    Either way, you know, the goal is to end any dependency that is not dependency on the government. Christmas at the very least and most consumer oriented base, reminds us that the government is not God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    Looks like a logo for a fictitious 1950's baseball team called the Atoms.
    They were a Single-A affliate based in Springfield.

    Mr. Burns was their first owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    ...why does it matter what terms Macys or Best "But" uses in their advertising or employee calender?
    Because they make about a gazillion dollars every year during the Christmas season.

    At least have the decency to call it what it is. Hang a Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukah sign and stop being hypocrites about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    They were a Single-A affliate based in Springfield.

    Mr. Burns was their first owner.

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    You are thinking of the Isotopes.





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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    Nah...there's no war on Christmas in this country.
    The Knights of Columbus put up a sign in Pitman, NJ that said, "Keep Christ in Christmas". An atheist group in Wisconsin is having a hissy fit over it. Yes, you heard that right. Idiots in a state 900 miles away is pitching a fit about a sign in a small town in another state. These people need lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    It's political correctness run amock. The reason why schools use those terms is because there are other holidays in this season-mostly New Year's and Hannukah. Using the term "Holiday Concert" was meant to be inclusive to others, including those who celebrate Christmas in a secular way. Using the term "Holiday Season" includes those other two holidays that fall in the general time period.

    I just don't get why some Christians get their panties in such a wad over this. If you still call it Christmas and celebrate the religious aspects of the holiday, why does it matter what terms Macys or Best "But" uses in their advertising or employee calender? Does it change the way you celebrate the holiday?
    Because these people are hypocrites. I bet, if the situation warrants it and they have to work on 12/25 and where they work pays them overtime just to work on a holiday, they gladly take the money and smile when they do it. If they are people of principle then demand to go to work on that day and not accept the time off for the day but they don't. They want their cake and eat it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    Because these people are hypocrites. I bet, if the situation warrants it and they have to work on 12/25 and where they work pays them overtime just to work on a holiday, they gladly take the money and smile when they do it. If they are people of principle then demand to go to work on that day and not accept the time off for the day but they don't. They want their cake and eat it too.
    I agree that these people are hypocrites who have no lives. I love Christmas, both the Jesus part and the ripping open Santa's presents part. I love the decorations and the music.

    But the atheists and Christmas haters have no effect on my love for the holiday. They will never be able to convince American children to not celebrate Christmas, not even if they hold them down a la "A Clockwork Orange" and force them to watch "Gremlins" over and over again, just like they will never be able to stop Coca Cola from using Santa images in their advertising. Christmas is a permanent part of our culture, and that includes Christmas Eve church services and nativity scenes.
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