12-27-2011, 03:30 PM
Okay, I'm finding that individuals from Iran (who worked with government) are responsible, particularly one person. I'm not finding a whole lot of evidence that the Iranian government itself is responsible although I'm open minded.
12-27-2011, 03:48 PM
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"The streets will run red with the blood....Your mustaches will fall from your faces....The dogs will piss on the bodies of....Your women will wail in mourning for the loss of...Your daughters will be raped by ........The Zionists will be wiped from the face...."
Seriously, now. Rhetoric aside. Do sane people talk like that? I don't even worry about people who talk like that.
They know they can get everyone all exited by "practicing closing the Straight of Hormuz" and "preparing to launch long range missiles" and so forth.
Did Iran cause 9/11? I dunno. Don't much care. Damn near all of the perpetrators are dead now and our security is much improved over where it was on 9/10. And even if there was no improvement in official security, Iranians would not be able to pull off a 9/11 style attack because all Americans are watching for that kind of stuff.
I kind of like the way we are currently waging war with Iran. We fly over their country any time we want, bomb their top level scientists, hack into their centrifuges, and God knows what all. Aerial photos show that 6 warehouses have been leveled....dunno who did it or why; they're just gone. Gee, whattamystery
My own feeling is that Iran is irrelevant, but not to the degree that we can turn our back. They declared war, they're losing, and there is nothing they can do about it.
12-27-2011, 04:50 PM
“Progressive” Jewish Thought and the New Anti-Semitism, Alvin H. Rosenfeld defined the difference between antisemitism and legitimate criticism:
Questioning Israel’s Essence, Not Israeli Policies Israel’s policy of encouraging Jewish settlement in Gaza (which it abandoned in 2005) and the West Bank has long been a ﬂash point of dispute, and its sometimes harsh treatment of Palestinian Arabs living in those areas has also drawn a great deal of negative attention. Criticizing such policies and actions is, in itself, not antiSemitic. To call Israel a Nazi state, however, as is commonly done today, or to accuse it of fostering South African-style apartheid rule
or engaging in ethnic cleansing or wholesale genocide goes well beyond legitimate criticism. Apart from the United States, to which it is almost always linked by its enemies, no country on earth is as viliﬁed as the Jewish state. Moreover, those who denounce it as an outlaw or pariah nation are found on both the left and the right, among the educated elites as well as the uneducated classes, and among Christians as well as Muslims.
In some quarters, the challenge is not to Israel’s policies, but to its legitimacy and right to an ongoing future. Thus, the argument leveled by Israel’s ﬁercest critics is often no longer about 1967 and the country’s territorial expansion following its military victory during the Six-Day War, but about 1948 and the alleged “crime,” or “original sin,” of its very establishment. The debate, in other words, is less about the country’s borders and more about its origins and essence. One of the things that is new and deeply disturbing about the new anti-Semitism, therefore, is precisely this: the singling out of the Jewish state, and the Jewish state alone, as a political entity unworthy of a secure and sovereign existence. As Jacqueline Rose, the author of The Question of Zion (Princeton University Press, 2005), puts it, “the soul of the nation was forfeit from the day of its creation.”
In other words, singling out Israel for a double standard which no nation can meet, accusing American Jews of disloyalty to America and sabotaging American interests, ignoring or justifying the acts of terror against innocent Israelis while exaggerating the defensive actions taken by Israel, blaming Israel for the lack of peace in the Arab/Muslim world and attacking every policy of Israel's, not because they are right or wrong on their own merits, but because they are the policies of a Jewish state, constitutes antisemitism.
12-27-2011, 08:22 PM
Israel has the third largest military in the world, including nuclear weapons. I do not live in Israel, I live in the USA.
Iran and al Qaeda share common interests, namely the defeat of the United States, which both see as an impediment to their goal of a global caliphate. The fact that al Qaeda is Sunni while Iran is Shia only means that after they have defeated other infidels, they'll turn their weapons on each other, but until then, your enemy's enemy is your ally. Hamas, BTW, is just as much a Sunni terror group as al Qaeda, but notice that Iran has been arming them to the teeth and financing their jihad. The Iranians provided safe have to Sunni terrorists throughout the last forty years, as long as they have been willing to focus their enmity on the US and Israel.
12-27-2011, 10:03 PM
American Liberal Jewish voters are not mentioned at all. Why do you feel the need to lump them in with the government of Israel? The cartoon didn't do that, you're arguing with a strawman.Originally Posted by Adam Smith - Wealth of Nations
12-27-2011, 10:22 PM
And, it isn't true. In terms of manpower, Israel is way down on the list.
State Total Active
Russian Federation 21,476,000 1,027,000
Democratic People's Republic of Korea 9,495,000 1,106,000
Republic of Korea 8,691,500 687,000
Vietnam 5,495,000 455,000
India 4,768,407 1,325,000
People's Republic of China 4,585,000 2,285,000
Iran 3,833,000 523,000
United States of America 2,937,899 1,468,364
Republic of China 1,964,000 290,000
Brazil 1,667,710 327,710
Pakistan 1,434,000 617,000
Egypt 1,344,500 468,500
Cuba 1,234,500 49,000
Ukraine 1,214,825 129,925
Turkey 1,041,500 510,600
Indonesia 982,000 302,000
Israel 749,550 176,500
As for where it ends, it depends on whose side you're on. For us, it ends when the Muslims figure out that they don't want to mess with us, which hasn't happened yet. For them, it ends with us praying five times a day to Mecca and my daughters ensconced in some lowlife imam's harem. I know which side of that equation that I'd like to be on. How about you?
12-28-2011, 02:21 AM
supreme leader" Khamenei . Ahmadinejad is not an elected leader in the sense that most everyone understands an elected leader to be. The mullahs decide who will be allowed to be presidential candidates. You don't get to run for president just because you want to. You must have the favor of the mullahs to get on the ballot.
A while back, during obama's presidency, the Iranian people were uprising. Unfortunately, obama gave them no support and they were snuffed out. But I'm sure somehow that was Bush's fault.
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