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    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8031Z020120104

    The Obama administration will unveil a "more realistic" vision for the military on Thursday, with plans to cut tens of thousands of ground troops and invest more in air and sea power at a time of fiscal restraint, officials familiar with the plans said on Wednesday.

    The strategic review of U.S. security interests will also emphasize an American presence in Asia, with less attention overall to Europe, Africa and Latin America alongside slower growth in the Pentagon's budget, the officials said.

    Though specific budget cut and troop reduction figures are not set to be announced on Thursday, officials confirmed to Reuters they would amount to a 10-15 percent decline in Army and Marine Corps numbers over the next decade, translating to tens of thousands of troops.

    The most profound shift in the strategic review is an acceptance that the United States, even with the world's largest military budget, cannot afford to maintain the ground troops to fight more than one major war at once. That is a move away from the "win-win" strategy that has dominated Pentagon funding decisions for decades.

    The move to a "win-spoil" plan, allowing U.S. forces to fight one campaign and stop or block another conflict, includes a recognition that the White House would need to ramp up public support for further engagement and draw more heavily on reserve and national guard troops when required.
    Some may remember that last year Obama was pushing for a bill that was to ensure preferential job hiring for veterans. A coworker of mine saw the writing on the way with that. He said it was a move of Obama's to soften the blow of a huge cut coming down the road.

    100,000 military personnel will be facing the axe from this...
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    As the line in the old Army cadence goes, "boots cost money, you big dummy."
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8031Z020120104



    Some may remember that last year Obama was pushing for a bill that was to ensure preferential job hiring for veterans. A coworker of mine saw the writing on the way with that. He said it was a move of Obama's to soften the blow of a huge cut coming down the road.

    100,000 military personnel will be facing the axe from this...
    They were going to lose 100000 anyway, due to "can't ask, can tell".

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    Sounds like more DIMoRAT military "expertise." So many wars have been won by drive by (fly by) than by actuall occupying ground. Why there are literally libraries full of historical evidence that support liberal military masterminds such as Dear Leader. We should all be thankful for his magnificent plans and unsurpassed military briliance.
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    These are cuts being made over the course of a decade. It's not 10,000 people being let go from their service at once.

    Lots of those cuts could be achieved by simply closing our bases in Germany and Japan. Germany successfully reunified without invading their neighbors, the Japanese have been pretty good allies since WWII ended, so maybe it's time to let them develop their own militaries and defend themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    These are cuts being made over the course of a decade. It's not 10,000 people being let go from their service at once.

    Lots of those cuts could be achieved by simply closing our bases in Germany and Japan. Germany successfully reunified without invading their neighbors, the Japanese have been pretty good allies since WWII ended, so maybe it's time to let them develop their own militaries and defend themselves.
    Firstly, we aren't defending them Noon. We're defending our own interests with our bases in those countries.

    Secondly, yeah those cuts do tend to come at once. The AF had to give 3,300 people the axe this year, and I believe it's occuring over a few month period.

    And these cuts have much further reaching impacts then just simply propping germany and japan up. Boeing just announced their cutting 2,100 jobs. I wonder why that is?
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    Here is the document, if anyone wants to read it.

    http://insidedefense.com/iwpfile.htm...052012_dod.pdf
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    This is political spin. He is shoring up his base in fear of losing the election.

    It's an election year and he's doing this to win favor with voters. He said the military budget would not shrink. That means he is talking about projected future spending. He probably won't cut much except people in higher tenure and those on their way out anyways.

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    Noonwitch, the Army was already bracing for a circa-25,000 cut in the next two to four years, this is likely to hit them twice as hard as expected...or worse.

    Basically people rather than programs are getting cut, because unionized factories don't build Soldiers, but they do build air and sea systems (Both of which are actually pretty up to date, given how little stress the two wars have put on the actual combat units of the sea and air forces).

    I see a re-enactment of Carter and Stansfield Turner hosing up the intelligence business for two decades, when they decided SATINT and SIGINT technology built by defense contractors who contributed to the party coffers rendered all those messy HUMINT sources in Iran redundant, cultivated patiently over decades as they were. Didn't turn out so well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    This is political spin. He is shoring up his base in fear of losing the election.
    I find this unlikely. His "base" is sufficiently shored up.

    If anything, this leaves him open to soft-on-defense attacks from political opponents. But even then, he has the rhetorical parry of high value targets taken out.

    I believe this is just the natural consequence of winding down two conflicts and the purse-pinch. He really has no choice.
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