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    And you still think this is OK? UFB
    I never said any of it was OK. KMA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    I never said any of it was OK. KMA
    You steered your ship to close to the rocks, admit it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    You steered your ship to close to the rocks, admit it.
    No, actually I didn't. I discussed whether what the man did rose to the level of child abuse or neglect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    No, actually I didn't. I discussed whether what the man did rose to the level of child abuse or neglect.
    ...and what have you concluded about this whole episode?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    No, actually I didn't. I discussed whether what the man did rose to the level of child abuse or neglect.
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    See below.
    The full article, then a bit more discussion:
    Man Denies Abandoning Child at Tent City

    Samuel Mack, 39, pleaded not guilty Thursday to second-degree attempted cruelty to children, News4ís Erika Gonzalez reported.

    The 13-month-old girl was found alone wearing only a onesie in a tent as rail fell and temperatures were in the 40s about 10 a.m. Wednesday. Mack returned about 40 minutes after police took the child into custody, Park Police said. The girl was alone about 30 minutes before being discovered.

    Police did not find anyone with the name Mack gave as the person he left the child with at McPherson Square, Gonzalez reported. Mack also told authorities heíd left the child while he went to get her some food, but when he returned, he didnít have any.

    The child was evaluated at the park and appeared to be in stable condition.

    Mack was released on personal recognizance Thursday but ordered to stay away from the girl, other minors, McPherson Square and 15th, I and K streets in the area. If he wants to retrieve personal property from the area, he must be escorted by police, Gonzalez reported.

    Mack is not part of the Occupy DC movement that has set up camp at McPherson Square.

    The girl was taken in to the custody of Child Protective Services and then returned to her family, her mother told Gonzalez.

    Mack was not the child's father, as originally reported, but a father figure, her mother told Gonzalez. Mack would take care of the child off and on. Her mother recently found it odd that the girl would come back from Mack sick or smelling like mildew. Then on Wednesday, she got the call about the child found in McPherson Square.

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    Now, this being the MSNBC site, we're going to have to dig a bit to work at the bolded parts. They state that he was not part of the Occupy DC camp, but how do they know this? The don't issue badges, do they? He was camped out in the park with the rest of the occupyers, but he's the only one camping there who has nothing to do with the protests? Riiiiiiiiiiight.

    Second, the statement that he is a "father figure" is rather interesting. To me, that implies that he's the mom's boyfriend or a glorified baby sitter. The things that she noticed, that he daughter came back sick or smelling of mildew, tells me that she didn't want to think about the implications of that as long as she had someone taking the kid off of her hands. I'm not sure that I'd give her back her daughter without having CPS look in on her and see what living conditions/arrangements that they are returning the child to.
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    ...and what have you concluded about this whole episode?
    Nothing. He'll do the same thing all over again the next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    . The girl was alone about 30 minutes before being discovered. .
    In the first article this was presented as a guesstimate; now it's being reported as a fact. See how that works?


    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    The child was evaluated at the park and appeared to be in stable condition.
    Really? Interesting choice of words. Normally we refer to people being in "stable condition" after they have suffered a medical emergency. In other words, there was nothing wrong with the girl.


    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Mack is not part of the Occupy DC movement that has set up camp at McPherson Square.
    This is irrelevant to the issue, but not to the discussion here where some people (not you of course) were attributing this man's behavior to his alleged political affiliations.

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    The girl was taken in to the custody of Child Protective Services and then returned to her family, her mother told Gonzalez.
    So what happened was so horrible that the DCF returned the child to the people who originally allowed the child to be cared for by a mother and 'father figure' the police consider to be dangerous to the well being of the child. Fascinating.

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    Now, this being the MSNBC site, we're going to have to dig a bit to work at the bolded parts. They state that he was not part of the Occupy DC camp, but how do they know this?
    I don't see how it's relevant, unless their point is that he can't claim to have left the child in a tent surrounded by people whom Mack had reason to trust.

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    Nothing. He'll do the same thing all over again the next time.
    Because none of the color of the additional articles which I brought here has any bearing on the original discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    No, actually I didn't. I discussed whether what the man did rose to the level of child abuse or neglect.
    The difference between pigs and people is that when they tell you you're cured it isn't a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    <<<<<idiotic crap >>>>
    Sometimes I think you spin a wheel (like Wheel of Fortune) before posting, and if it lands on "idiotic" you just go with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Sometimes I think you spin a wheel (like Wheel of Fortune) before posting, and if it lands on "idiotic" you just go with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    In the first article this was presented as a guesstimate; now it's being reported as a fact. See how that works?
    Yes. As more information becomes available, we confirm facts and determine which assumptions were valid. What was initially a guess turned out ot be accurate. Do you see how that works?

    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Really? Interesting choice of words. Normally we refer to people being in "stable condition" after they have suffered a medical emergency. In other words, there was nothing wrong with the girl.
    Uh, no. The medical terms and their definitions are:

    • Critical condition, by definition, requires care in a critical care or intensive care unit, with a high risk of death within the next 24 hours.
    • Serious means that there is a lower likelihood of death within 24 hours, but the patient still requires close observation.
    • Stable means that there are no major active medical issues and the patient's basic vital functions are not fluctuating or in need of support.
    It does not mean that she did not require medical attention. It means that she no longer requires it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    This is irrelevant to the issue, but not to the discussion here where some people (not you of course) were attributing this man's behavior to his alleged political affiliations.
    While some others (not you, of course) were defending his behavior because of his alleged political affiliations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    So what happened was so horrible that the DCF returned the child to the people who originally allowed the child to be cared for by a mother and 'father figure' the police consider to be dangerous to the well being of the child. Fascinating.
    No, they gave the child back to her mother. The person who had the child wasn't a custodial parent, and was not given the child. The article doesn't mention whether any follow up was scheduled, although I'm sure that Noonwitch can tell us the procedures that are usually followed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    I don't see how it's relevant, unless their point is that he can't claim to have left the child in a tent surrounded by people whom Mack had reason to trust.
    See above about political affiliations. MSDNC has been shilling for the Occupiers since the beginning, and would be embarrassed if it turned out that Mack was part of the movement. And he didn't leave the child with people that he could trust, since there was nobody in the tent, and the nearest people didn't know that she had been left with them, which is why they called the police.

    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Because none of the color of the additional articles which I brought here has any bearing on the original discussion.
    Actually, the original article had a great deal of bearing on the discussion. But, as I said, you didn't learn anything from this, regardless of your reason for claiming that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Sometimes I think you spin a wheel (like Wheel of Fortune) before posting, and if it lands on "idiotic" you just go with it.
    Whereas yours is, to quote LTG Honore, "stuck on stupid".
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