Occupy Wall Street and the Jews

[Adam Wood]

Yes. That is the accusation that is used to silence criticism of the nation of Israel.

How are these antisemitic?

“Obama stop giving bunker buster bombs to an extremist Israeli regime. Stop being Israel’s hit-man. AIPAC will still dump you in 2012.”

“USA and Israel are criminal psychopathic nations, an axis of evil, mass murderers, financial predators if not stopped no one has a future! Hands off Iran.”

“Occupy Wall Street, Not Palestine,”

“Palestinians, too, are part of the 99% around the world that suffer at the hands of the 1% whose greed and ruthless quest for hegemony have led to unspeakable suffering and endless war.”

“while people are losing jobs, homes, and hope, politicians—dominated by powerful special interests—are sending more of our tax money to Israel than to any other country on earth.”

No one said they are.

[txradioguy]

Now, that's not fair. The right has a lot of them too.

Stuff I've heard from conservatives:

The Jews have always been a stiff necked people. They're hardened. That's why they couldn't accept Jesus.

The Jews killed Jesus (nevermind that they needed the Romans, who also felt threatened by Jesus to do this).

Of course I support Israel. Errrrrr. Because God wants me to, and the truth is we're not supporting Jewish Israel as much as future Christian Israel. (Okay, I'll admit that I didn't hear that word for word, but some of these fundamentlists do pretty much say that).

Oh, and how many fundamentalist Christians just loooooove the Passions of the Christ by Mel Gibson? Their argument is that it's biblical. Not completely. There are scenes in there that aren't in the bible at all. When I did further research, I found that Mel Gibson had borrowed information from nuns who were openly anti-semite. One of them said that Jews put children in their passover bread. Do all these people supporting the film care about any of that? Nope. They also don't care that Gibson's father denies the holocaust and that Gibson has never spoken out against it.

Another thing I don't like is that Mel Gibson aside, conservative Christians don't like to tell the entire story behind Jesus's execution. Yes, there were some zealous Jewish leaders. There was also Roman occupation. They executed people who they felt got into their way. Jesus got in their way when he said that they shouldn't be turning his father's house into a house of thieves (charging Jews just for using the synagogue). I think about a million Jews were murdered during Roman occupation. Do conservative Christians have anything to say about that? No. I understand the focus of the story is to concentrate on Jesus and what he did for us, but do you realize how much of a slap in the face it is not to even acknowledge this in the story when we tell it? It's an even further slap in the face to portray Jews as somehow bad for wishing Jesus would do something about it. I do believe in Jesus as our messiah, but I honestly think the entire story should be getting told and it's not. I don't know how liberal churches present this story because I haven't been there. I do know how conservative churches and synagogues present this story. World of difference.

So honestly, I think the conservative side has a long way to go before they can truly point the finger at the left. If you want to say that parts of the radical left are anti-semite, then fine. My ultra leftist professor admitted it to me years ago. Don't point the finger and pretend your side is innocent.

And I supposed you have links to those alleged "Conservative" quotes?

Yeah...didn't think so.

[Lanie]

Oh please. You're taking "grasping" to a whole new level.

I defy you to find similar actual documented examples on the Right of things like this, this, this, or this. I can save you some time by telling you don't bother, because there is no such antisemitism on the Right. Are there some conservative antisemites? Yes. Is it pervasive amongst conservatives? No.

Because anti-semitism (as in Jew hating, stereotyping Jews, etc) only comes in the form of anti-Israel protests.

Hello? Anti-semitism has been around since the Bible ages. It was there while Israel was up, after it fell and during the disaspora, and after it came back up.

[txradioguy]

Because anti-semitism (as in Jew hating, stereotyping Jews, etc) only comes in the form of anti-Israel protests.

It also comes in the form of your garden variety leftist and their fellow travelers that practice radical Islam.

[Lanie]

Yes. That is the accusation that is used to silence criticism of the nation of Israel.

How are these antisemitic?

“Obama stop giving bunker buster bombs to an extremist Israeli regime. Stop being Israel’s hit-man. AIPAC will still dump you in 2012.”

“USA and Israel are criminal psychopathic nations, an axis of evil, mass murderers, financial predators if not stopped no one has a future! Hands off Iran.”

“Occupy Wall Street, Not Palestine,”

“Palestinians, too, are part of the 99% around the world that suffer at the hands of the 1% whose greed and ruthless quest for hegemony have led to unspeakable suffering and endless war.”

“while people are losing jobs, homes, and hope, politicians—dominated by powerful special interests—are sending more of our tax money to Israel than to any other country on earth.”

Well, there is some anti-semitism there in the sense that some of these people are blaming all of America's problems on Israel. If we were not friends with Israel, we'd still be putting lots of money into foreign policy, giving to countries that some would argue we shouldn't because we need the money, etc. Israel is not the reason that we have greed in this country, but some of these protesters make it out to be that way.

Also, one of those people had an upside down American flag with the star of David where the stars should be. That's suggesting that Israel is somehow America, the largest superpower. If Israel is controlling America, the largest superpower, then doesn't this go back to the idea that Jews run the world?

[Lanie]

Oh, and Adam, I have some news for you. Come of think of it, the others need to listen to. Everybody listen closely, because this will be a shock.

Israel is a socialist country.

Here's why. Only six percent of Israel is privately owned. The rest of it is owned by the government. Actually, one of the issues that the Palestinians have with Israel is that Israel bought up land that originally belonged to them so they could hold out for Jewish people wanting to "come home." These Palestinians do not have the option of buying the land back that is reserved for government ownership. Now, three percent of Palestinians do own some of the six percent (and Jews own about three percent of the other). However, Israel is generally a socialist country because most of the land if owned by the government.

Also, would you like to know which country first recognized Israel as a legitimate country? If you guessed the USA, then you're wrong. It was the Soviet Union. That's right. Stalin (even though he was an anti-semite himself) was hoping to find a Communist ally in Israel.

Anybody who wants to know more about Israel (who is fiscally speaking and sometimes socially speaking, a leftist country) can read more about it here. This is actually one reason why Jews are having such an issue with staying away from the left. It's because historically speaking, they are part of the left.

Seriously, this is sweet.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/is.html

The global economic downturn affected Israel's economy primarily through reduced demand for Israel's exports in the United States and EU, Israel's top trading partners. Exports of goods and services account for about 40% of the country's GDP. The Israeli Government responded to the recession by implementing a modest fiscal stimulus package and an aggressive expansionary monetary policy - including cutting interest rates to record lows, purchasing government bonds, and intervening in the foreign currency market. The Bank of Israel began raising interest rates in the summer of 2009 when inflation rose above the upper end of the Bank's target and the economy began to show signs of recovery.

Who has universal healthcare? We don't, but Israel sure does.

http://www.jpost.com/JerusalemReport...aspx?id=175612

Check this out. If I argued for this stuff on here, I'd be met with a lot of arguments.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts+Abou...l+Services.htm

Care of the elderly, assistance for single parents, programs for children and youth, adoption agencies,as well as prevention and treatment of alcoholism and drug abuse, comprise a large part of the services available to individuals and families. Correctional services encompass adult and juvenile probation frameworks, remedial programs for school dropouts, and residential and observational services for youth in distress. Sheltered workshops and employment counseling are among the rehabilitation services available for the physically disabled. Mentally retarded persons are cared for through various residential and community-based programs.

Care and services for the elderly have become a major component of Israel's health and social service capabilities. While the total population has increased five-fold since the country's establishment, the number of senior citizens (age 65+) has increased 10-fold, now representing nearly 10 percent of Israel's over 7 million inhabitants. Much of this growth has been due to mass immigration. Over one million immigrants have arrived since 1989, more than 12 percent of them aged 65 and over.

Over here, we're debating whether to cut Medicare.

I don't care if you are gay, you won't use it to get out of joining Israel's military. No link necessary.

Actually, the gay rights community acknowledges Israel on well their country does for homosexual rights.

http://www.gaytlvguide.com/start-her...ghts-in-israel

All in all, Israel is a leftist country. I think I'm in love. lol.

[Adam Wood]

Oh, and Adam, I have some news for you.

~ a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter ~

Also, would you like to know which country first recognized Israel as a legitimate country? If you guessed the USA, then you're wrong. It was the Soviet Union. That's right. Stalin (even though he was an anti-semite himself) was hoping to find a Communist ally in Israel.

~ more stuff that doesn't matter ~

Just wanted to address this little factoid. The Soviets were the first to recognize Israel as a matter of law on May 17, 1948, three days after the Israeli declaration of independence from British rule. The United States, who actually worked on the creation of Israel in the first place, officially recognized Israel eleven minutes after Ben-Gurion finished reading the declaration, but in a de facto manner, which is how we do it in the United States. After Israeli elections were held, we recognized Israel as a matter of law, which is how we do it in the United States.

So yes, the Soviet Union managed to be the first nation in the world to recognize Israel as a matter of formal law, but despite how you try to frame it, that is not some sort of black mark on the United States.

[Lanie]

Just wanted to address this little factoid. The Soviets were the first to recognize Israel as a matter of law on May 17, 1948, three days after the Israeli declaration of independence from British rule. The United States, who actually worked on the creation of Israel in the first place, officially recognized Israel eleven minutes after Ben-Gurion finished reading the declaration, but in a de facto manner, which is how we do it in the United States. After Israeli elections were held, we recognized Israel as a matter of law, which is how we do it in the United States.

So yes, the Soviet Union managed to be the first nation in the world to recognize Israel as a matter of formal law, but despite how you try to frame it, that is not some sort of black mark on the United States.

I don't think I said anything about a black mark. I'm just saying that Israel is generally a leftist country. They have social programs which would make most conservatives here throw a fit.

[txradioguy]

I don't think I said anything about a black mark.

You should have quit right there. It would have saved you the pain of being exposed yet again as the Libtard idiot you really are.

[Novaheart]

Jonathan Neumann — January 2012
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/ar...-and-the-jews/

I was stunned a couple of years ago when the drug lords of Monterrey Mexico had the peasants blocking the bridge to the US and having a riot-lite. A fiftysomething man (given that it's Mexico he may have been younger) made a statement I never expected to hear- I can't remember the exact words in Spanish, but it translated to "It's the Jews, who have been ruling America since 1764 (can't remember the exact year, but it was the 18th century.

I wasn't aware that anti-semitism ran so high or so close to the surface in Mexico, especially a place in Mexico which I can't honestly imagine has any Jewish residents.

Despite my staunch support for Israel and Zionism, and distaste for anti-semitism I still find myself being accused of anti-semitism because I don't hide my fascination with the fact that in any given day, I am bound to be pissed off by Amy Goodman, Ari Lewis, Naomi Klein, or some other devotee of Howard Zinn. Why there is a cluster of Jews on the radio and in my face with their hatred for this country, Western European culture, and a sovereign Israel is beyond me. Are we forbidden from being honest? I can find some pretty nasty WASPS as well. But you never get to the point where you can point out that you see these things, and comment on them from time to time, because we live in a country where the favorite debate tactic is not to disprove the message, but to discredit the speaker.