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    Quote Originally Posted by lacarnut View Post
    I would love to have that car but am going to let you in on a little secret. The kool-aid state you live in is considering imposing heavy fines/and or lic. fees on gas guzzlers. You might have to move out of CA with those thousands of dollars that will be imposed on your type of vehicle.
    As a member of the Association of California Car Clubs, I’m well aware of what the State has thought, thinks and will try to implement in the future. Unfortunately,' The Gropenator' has come up against SEMA - the folks we purchase many of our engines, components and custom articles from, and these manufacturers have sent him and the entire legislature scurrying for cover. This noise has come and gone before - many times and if you stop to think about the very disposable income it takes to purchase and upgrade our vehicles - we’re really not the folks you want to fuck with politically.

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    At Coretta Scott King's funeral in early 2006, Ethel Kennedy, the widow of Robert Kennedy, leaned over to him and whispered, "The torch is being passed to you." "A chill went up my spine," Obama told an aide. (Newsweek)
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
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    "Why Don't You Have the courage to pave the way for refinery construction, oil exploration and drilling"
    The environment.

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    And why are Republicans, who voted in overwhelming numbers for off-shore drilling, ANWR, nuclear, shale, tar sands, liquid coal, etc—and were opposed by Democrats on grounds of wanting to enrich energy companies—not appealing to the country to develop domestic supplies on the basis of fairness .
    That would be socialism.

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    But given the current conservative ineptness, $5 a gallon gas will be blamed on the war, or lack of federal subsidies to solar, or the oil companies, and not the elite agenda of utopians who were not willing to do what was necessary for the collective good to help us transition through to new fuels.
    It's the market baby, get over it.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gluesniffer View Post
    The environment.



    That would be socialism.



    It's the market baby, get over it.
    Another Huntington Beach liberal no doubt.How about you critters start behaving like you're part of America and not the Maoist Empire of the West ?BTW DU is thataway down yonder !
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    Another Huntington Beach liberal no doubt.How about you critters start behaving like you're part of America and not the Maoist Empire of the West ?BTW DU is thataway down yonder !

    I'm not the Maoist here. You're the one crying about gas prices rising due to supply and demand logic and advocating government intervention to distort the price signal.
     

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    My folk's reality:

    URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT

    Old Car Emissions Exemption No Longer Threatened in 8 California Counties :)

    Congratulations! The California old car hobby convinced California Senate legislators to amend legislation (S.B. 1549) that sought repeal of the state’s current emissions test exemption for pre-1976 vehicles registered by new owners in the San Joaquin Valley Unified Air Pollution Control District. The District includes eight counties in California’s Central Valley. Under the original bill, after Jan. 1, 2009, new owners seeking to register a pre-1976 vehicle in these eight counties would have been subject to emissions tests for the life of the vehicle. Under the amendment, the repeal language was removed and the bill instead now requires the DMV to study the state’s special license plate programs and recommend improvements.

    Thanks to all of you for contributing to this successful resolution!


    http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62398
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gluesniffer View Post
    The environment.



    That would be socialism.



    It's the market baby, get over it.

    The risks to the environment are blown WAYYYY out of proportion, and it is NOT socialism for the government to remove the prohibitions on drilling and refining.

    The market would work fine. The issue is the Democrats have BLOCKED the drilling and refining of our own oil.


    The problem of high gas prices can be laid at the feet of the Democrats. PERIOD.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gluesniffer View Post
    I'm not the Maoist here. You're the one crying about gas prices rising due to supply and demand logic and advocating government intervention to distort the price signal.
    It's not governed by supply and demand these days sniffy .The futures market drives the world price on most goods these days and oil futures are just another commodity market !
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    It's not governed by supply and demand these days sniffy .The futures market drives the world price on most goods these days and oil futures are just another commodity market !
    And the futures market has nothing to do with supply and demand? It's essentially demand that drives the price, the futures market is just a lengthening of the price process.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gluesniffer View Post
    And the futures market has nothing to do with supply and demand? It's essentially demand that drives the price, the futures market is just a lengthening of the price process.

    The Democrats in congress are artificially keeping the supply low. THAT is the problem.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutionally Speaking View Post
    The Democrats in congress are artificially keeping the supply low. THAT is the problem.
    The biggest problem is that transition countries are raising demand substantially and will continue doing so. This is a structural problem that cannot be fixed by drilling until the last drops have vanished. The consumer should feel it in his wallet, then the companies will feel it in their profits, and then innovation can take place. That's the way the price system works.
    Although it doesn't work perfect either as long as externalities aren't included in the price, so the real conclusion here is that you are still being treated too generously.
     

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