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    ........... might recognize that the collapsing standards in public schools in the 70s, the increasingly incidence of violence and the increase in urban populations combined to create more demand for private schools, and the supply increased as churches opened up schools to satisfy the increased demand.
    What you have written here is also true. And there is another component: churches were dying in the 1970's and the ones which would survive (other than those with major endowments) had to come up with new ways to use their buildings and spend their money to attract more people and money.

    It's kind of amusing though, because while creating "safe" schools for largely white people, many of these same churches also geared up to accept daycare vouchers from the government and had a decidedly different demographic in the kindergarten than the grade school.

    I often find common perceptions about Catholic schools to be amusing but ignorant. In many places, the Catholic schools were staffed by nuns and priests who live communally and had/have some pretty liberal politics. My elementary school was just such a place. Our student body was actually more diverse than the public school by standard measures, and had a special relationship with the synagogue down the street because it was the only private school where the Jews (maybe two dozen families in the entire town) would send their kids. Our youth priest was a hippie and the Monsignor was a social mover and shaker in our rural area where Catholics were a minority.
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    I'm thinking the condom that goes over a large Dick like you weighs considerably more.;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    What you have written here is also true. And there is another component: churches were dying in the 1970's and the ones which would survive (other than those with major endowments) had to come up with new ways to use their buildings and spend their money to attract more people and money.

    It's kind of amusing though, because while creating "safe" schools for largely white people, many of these same churches also geared up to accept daycare vouchers from the government and had a decidedly different demographic in the kindergarten than the grade school.
    When did the daycare vouchers come into being?
    Then-NYC Mayor Ed Koch once got into an argument with the head of schools for the Cathoic archdiocese of NYC, when he claimed that the Catholic schools got better results because they started with better students, and didn't have to deal with the same issues as the public schools. He challenged him to accept a group of the city's most incorrigible kids and then tell him how they performed. The Catholic rep accepted on the spot, and Koch backed down. For years, they'd try to get him to pony up the kids so that they could work with them, but the city refused and pretended that the challenge had never been offered.

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    I often find common perceptions about Catholic schools to be amusing but ignorant. In many places, the Catholic schools were staffed by nuns and priests who live communally and had/have some pretty liberal politics. My elementary school was just such a place. Our student body was actually more diverse than the public school by standard measures, and had a special relationship with the synagogue down the street because it was the only private school where the Jews (maybe two dozen families in the entire town) would send their kids. Our youth priest was a hippie and the Monsignor was a social mover and shaker in our rural area where Catholics were a minority.
    Catholic schools vary widely throughout the US. In NYC, my experience with Catholic schoolkids was mostly avoiding them when they'd gotten hopped up by the local priest, who was a raving antisemite. Actually, it was mostly the Irish Catholic kids who had to be avoided. The Italians were pretty easygoing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    When did the daycare vouchers come into being?
    Then-NYC Mayor Ed Koch once got into an argument with the head of schools for the Cathoic archdiocese of NYC, when he claimed that the Catholic schools got better results because they started with better students, and didn't have to deal with the same issues as the public schools. He challenged him to accept a group of the city's most incorrigible kids and then tell him how they performed. The Catholic rep accepted on the spot, and Koch backed down. For years, they'd try to get him to pony up the kids so that they could work with them, but the city refused and pretended that the challenge had never been offered.



    Catholic schools vary widely throughout the US. In NYC, my experience with Catholic schoolkids was mostly avoiding them when they'd gotten hopped up by the local priest, who was a raving antisemite. Actually, it was mostly the Irish Catholic kids who had to be avoided. The Italians were pretty easygoing.
    Given his sudden hatred for the Catholic Church...you'd think he was letting TNO use his screen name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    Given his sudden hatred for the Catholic Church...you'd think he was letting TNO use his screen name.
    Lib trolls kind of run together after awhile, you could interchange them on almost any topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Lib trolls kind of run together after awhile, you could interchange them on almost any topic.
    Yeah they try to pretend to act rational and logical to gain "fred" on a forum like this...but they can only pretend so long before they revert to form.

    He's just the latest example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post

    Catholic schools vary widely throughout the US. In NYC, my experience with Catholic schoolkids was mostly avoiding them when they'd gotten hopped up by the local priest, who was a raving antisemite. Actually, it was mostly the Irish Catholic kids who had to be avoided. The Italians were pretty easygoing.
    Why thank you Ody! lol

    I went to catholic elementary, high school and college. I will be enrolling my daughter in catholic schools as well. While the religion component is important to me somewhat, it's the discipline, good study habits and moral values that sway me towards them. Florida public schools are probably the worst in the country. I have a brand spankin' new school built by a local developer down the block....but I won't have my daughter become an FCAT robot.

    During a high school religion class I recall discussing other religions...we spent ONE hour in four years discussing other religions. The catholic schools I went to were concerned in teaching Christianity through our Catechism and didn't much dwell on other religions. This is the extent of learning of other religions...
    Jews-don't believe in Jesus...Hindu's have a million gods, Muslims think Allah is God, Buddhism have no god, they just believe in Kharma...:D
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    Yeah they try to pretend to act rational and logical to gain "fred" on a forum like this...but they can only pretend so long before they revert to form.

    He's just the latest example.
    I have to come clean,Nova is not an actual human poster, he is software. We created the NOVA program (Notoriously, Obnoxious, Vegan, Asshole) to fill our need for a troll to argue with us and to direct our conservative hate toward. We added every possible detestible attribute we could to NOVA but unfortunatly we overdid it and the program grew into our software like a fungus, it seams to have infused itself into the very core of our software, gawd help us all !:eek:
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    Sorry, Lanie, but I missed this my first time around. I'm not ignoring it.
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    Okay. No time to look for the best sources, so I apologize in advance.

    While prolifers will condemn abortion violence on the surface, I haven't heard them condemn stuff that one of the main leaders of the movement said.
    "I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you... I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good... Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism." August 16, 1993.
    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...=Randall_Terry

    Want to bet some money on the idea that somebody is going to come into this thread and justify that comment?
    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    That's pretty much the same take as the Sharia types have. We've found our Taliban wing. But, will anyone here defend a conquest of America that eliminates all other faiths, even by Christians? Doubtful.
    Not all of these from the below quote are from the religious right, but they are conservative.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ht-quotes.html

    “Twelve million illegal immigrants later, we are now living in a nation that is beset by people who are suicidal maniacs and want to kill countless innocent men, women, and children around the world.”
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    Thompson was talking about Muslim terrorists who had been granted visas, or were coming in with the waves of illegals. His point was that the lack of border security that allowed in twelve million illegals also allowed in quite a few terrorists. He wasn't wrong.

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    “I’m a radical! I’m a real extremist. I don’t want to impeach judges. I want to impale them!”
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    That's hyperbole, however, since I'm in the area, I'll check to see if he's sharpening any pikes or if any judges are missing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    “How did [the Holocaust] happen ? Because God allowed it to happen… because God said, ‘My top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel.’”
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    Uh, yeah, that's out there, but who is John Hagee?

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    “I paint my face and travel at night. You don’t know it’s over until you’re in a body bag.”
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    Hyperbole, again. He wasn't talking about actual wet work.

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    "The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." - 1992 Iowa fundraising letter opposing a state equal-rights amendment ("Equal Rights Initiative in Iowa Attacked", Washington Post, 23 August 1992); it is sometimes claimed that this statement appeared in Robertson's 1992 GOP convention speech, but this is not the case (see also transcript)
    Uh, I hate to tell you this, but for a lot of feminists, that is the agenda (okay, maybe not the witchcraft). Much of the feminist literature of the 70s talked about how marriage enslaved women and encouraged familial breakup. Abortion on demand is pretty much the only thing that a lot of feminists care about. It's certainly the litmus test for whether or not they consider someone a feminist or not, just ask Sarah Palin. The witchcraft thing is pretty bizarre, although there do seem to be a lot of feminist Wiccans, but I'll give you that one. Destroying capitalism? How many feminist organizations consider themselves socialist as well? NOW, which is the largest, was founded by Betty Friedan, a Marxist. Many of their causes are thinly veiled attacks on markets (such as pay equity). And lesbians? Again, NOW's membership was polled a few years ago, and it turned out that a majority of the members were self-identified lesbians. This, BTW, explains a lot of NOW's hostility to men and any institution in which men play a prominent part, such as marriage. So, yeah, he's not saying anything that isn't true of at least a significant portion of feminism.

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    "If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt that they have no business administering government policies in a country that favors freedom and equality." [2]
    Yeah, that's out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    [Planned Parenthood] "is teaching kids to fornicate, teaching people to have adultery, every kind of bestiality, homosexuality, lesbianism – everything that the Bible condemns." (The 700 Club, variously dated as 9 Apr. 1991 or 14 Jan. 1991).
    Lanie note: We can't have them doing mammograms or it might screw up some of that hateful perspective. [/QUOTE]
    That's okay. They don't do mammograms. That's why Komen originally cut off their grant, because Planned Parenthood only refers women to other places for mammograms. They only do abortions. As for the rest, it's inflammatory, but the sex education materials that Planned Parenthood provides schools does teach sexual conduct outside of marriage (fornication) and does discuss homosexuality. I don't recall bestiality in the mix, but it's been a long time since high school, and the curriculum may have changed. :D

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    "The Islamic people, the Arabs, were the ones who captured Africans, put them in slavery, and sent them to America as slaves. Why would the people in America want to embrace the religion of slavers."

    Lanie note: Excuuuuuse me? Did we or did we not use the Christian bible to condone slavery in the 1800s? He needs to shut up.
    And abolitionists used it to condemn slavery. Christians were on both sides of the issue. OTOH, the exportation of African slaves began with Muslim conquests of African kingdoms. Initially, they were marched to the Middle East (under conditions in which the majority died en route), but when the Europeans came looking, they were perfectly happy to sell to them, too. Also, the slave trade continued among Arabs well into the 20th century. Saudi Arabia didn't sign the UN convention against slavery until the 1960s, and most Arab states still permitted it, unofficially. Today, Sudan continues the practice. So, yeah, he's right on this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    "The media challenged me. `You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?' My simple answer is, `Yes, they are.'" [5]

    Hey Ody, what do you think about the above quote?
    We've talked quite a bit about my take on Muslims, Sharia and the Constitution. He's right about them, to the extent that they reject the Judeo-Christian values that America was founded on. I think that he's wrong about Hindus, but regardless, he believes what he believes. But do conservatives believe it?

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    I love the quote below. It applies to some people here I'm sure. Any Methodists here?

    "You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense, I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist." -- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991
    Well, according to Homeland Security, they are likely to be terrorists. :D

    Seriously, Falwell and Robertson have been relegated to the fringes of conservatism for years. In fact, when Robertson made those statements, the rest of the conservative movement disowned him and he ended up pulling the plug on his campaign after a few primaries. He hasn't been part of the conservative movement for years, precisely because of the inflammatory comments that he's made. The Ralph Reed quote and the quote from Coburn's staffer were hyperbole, and neither of them holds an elective office. OTOH, elected Democrats routinely say far more outrageous things.
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    Why thank you Ody! lol
    The Italian kids, as I said, were pretty laid back. The Irish kids were always looking for a fight. I actually dated a couple of Italian girls, and their brothers had no problem with it as long as I helped with their math homework. :D
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    Oh man. This is epic. Old Bridget and new Ody in a war of words. Let me clear my calendar and get my reading glasses. :eek:
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