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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    That's all just personal animus directed at the Executive on your part.
    Hmmm... for that statement to be true, my statement would have to be devoid of facts. Allow me to parse myself:
    Sure, there are liberal Christians. Calling Obama a Christian is a stretch, not because I think that he's a secret Muslim, but because he has never demonstrated any understanding of, or belief in, Christianity.
    Has Obama ever demonstrated an understanding of scripture or Christianity or belief in it? He's paid lip service to it when it suited him, but his quotations from scripture are invariably shallow and lack any understanding of the underlying doctrines.

    Obama's entire experience with Christianity appears to have been limited to his twenty years in Jeremiah Wright's church, where he managed to avoid actually listening to any of the sermons or dealing with anyone.
    Again, I don't see how this is not factual. Obama was raised by his mother, a leftist and atheist. His grandparents were leftists and atheists. His father, Barack Hussein Obama Sr., was a Muslim. His stepfather, Lelo Soetero, was also a Muslim. His only sustained period of church-going was his time at Jeremiah Wright's church. Do you dispute that?

    As for his not listening to any of the sermons or dealing with anyone, by his own admission, Obama spent twenty years in that church, but managed to avoid all of the controversial sermons.

    Wright's brand of Black Liberation theology is a violent revolutionary doctrine of racial separation that uses superficial trappings of Christianity and misrepresents it in order to have it serve as a delivery system for Wright's Marxism and racism.
    Do you deny this? If so, here's a taste of Rev. Wright's comments:

    "The government lied about Pearl Harbor too. They knew the Japanese were going to attack. Governments lie. The government lied about the Gulf of Tonkin Incident. They wanted that resolution to get us in the Vietnam War. Governments lie. The government lied about Nelson Mandela and our CIA helped put him in prison and keep him there for 27 years. The South African government lied on Nelson Mandela. Governments lie."
    >SNIP<
    "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. Governments lie."
    >SNIP<
    "The government lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq being a threat to the United States peace. And guess what else? If they don't find them some weapons of mass destruction, they gonna do just like the LAPD, and plant the some weapons of mass destruction. Governments lie."
    >SNIP<
    "And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains, the government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton field, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, not God Bless America. God damn America — that's in the Bible — for killing innocent people. God damn America, for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America, as long as she tries to act like she is God, and she is supreme. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent.."

    And that was just from one sermon. Wright accused the US government of allowing Pearl Harbor, imprisoning Nelson Mandela, framing OJ, creating AIDS, and you know that he believed that long before he got up and preached it. And the audience knew it too. Nobody walked out of his sermon. Nobody stood up and said, "Bull". They sat there and gave him every Amen that he asked for. But somehow, Obama didn't notice that this was what the pastor who brought him into his church, who officiated at his wedding, who baptized his daughters and who provided the title for one of his autobiographies was a racist, hateful whackjob. Go figure.
    BTW, given how little Obama has learned from his time in college and government, I'm perfectly willing to believe that he spent twenty years in the pews without noticing anything that was going on around him. His self-absorption and narcissism make it unlikely that he was able to focus on worship of anything but himself.
    If Obama's grades were any good, he'd have unsealed them. The man is not modest about his accomplishments, although the accomplishments certainly are. This brings us to his narcissism. This really ought be its own thread, but the symptoms of malignant narcissism have been well documented, and are easily observed in Obama:

    • An unrealistic sense of superiority ("Grandiose")
      Ever heard one of his speeches?
    • Pursues power at all costs, lacks normal inhibitions in its pursuit
      Been watching how he governs? How his health care bill was passed? His stimulus bill? How he disregards congressional oversight?
    • Concerns limited to expressing socially appropriate response when convenient; devalues and exploits others without remorse
      Notice that Obama has no close friends.
    • Lacks values; easily bored; often changes course
      These traits have been repeatedly observed in Obama. He even admitted as such.
    • Traumatic childhood undercutting true sense of self-esteem and/or learning that he/she doesn't need to be considerate of others

    Abandoned by his father, then his mother, and raised by his grandparents, who left him with a radical pedophile as a mentor, sounds traumatic to me.
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    Yet all based upon direct observation with a logical conclusion.
    See, you used the word "logical"... Now he's all confused.

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    Obama doesn't claim to be a prophet.
    Being a prophet is a step down from being the messiah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmPat View Post
    No you shouldn't and won't as I pay for my own responsibilities (look up the word). Now if you want to pay for my medical insurance, I'd accept your CHARITY. Are you offering?
    But according to you, you aren't paying for it. You keep insisting that when we have Single Payer, and citizens are paying into the system for it, that they will be socialism, or an idiot's idea of free, or whatever screw you have loose that week. But you don't regard your government healthcare as free, you think you pay for it. You don't. You pay a portion of the administrative cost in a self (US Treasury) insured system and a fraction of what it will actually cost through the end of your life unless you simply drop dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post

    [INDENT]Obama's entire experience with Christianity appears to have been limited to his twenty years in Jeremiah Wright's church, where he managed to avoid actually listening to any of the sermons or dealing with anyone.
    What a twisted world we live in where the Church Of Christ is not considered Christian, but the Latter Day Saints are simply because they have "Jesus Christ" on the marquee.

    The Mormon Church is much closer to the Church of Scientology in its creation and design than any mainstream Christian denomination. But put an R in front of it, and it becomes palatable to you? Now that is twisted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    [INDENT]"The government lied about Pearl Harbor too. They knew the Japanese were going to attack. .
    This is or was a fairly commonly held belief amongst some people all over the political spectrum. SOME Right Wingers believe "Rosenberg (Roosevelt) knew" and sacrificed American lives to bring us into the war at the behest of "The Joos". SOME Left Wing believes that the industrialists wanted us in the war to open up the treasury and make billions in munitions. The real out there folks have intricate conspiracy theories variously involving the Royal Family, Jewish Bankers (always a favorite) and international communists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    This is or was a fairly commonly held belief amongst some people all over the political spectrum. SOME Right Wingers believe "Rosenberg (Roosevelt) knew" and sacrificed American lives to bring us into the war at the behest of "The Joos". SOME Left Wing believes that the industrialists wanted us in the war to open up the treasury and make billions in munitions. The real out there folks have intricate conspiracy theories variously involving the Royal Family, Jewish Bankers (always a favorite) and international communists.
    Yes, and we call these people nutjobs. Wright also accused the US government of manufacturing AIDS. Again, a fundamental difference between left and right is that the vast majority of conservatives have no patience for birthers, Pearl Harbor conspirators and the like, but the left almost never calls out its fringe. For example, look at the various 9/11 truthers who hold prominent positions in academia, the media and even the Obama administration. For example, the petition that got Van Jones in hot water had a number of prominent signatories from the left, including Ed Asner, Medea Benjamin, Daniel Ellsberg, Jodie Evans, Richie Havens,Mimi Kennedy, Rabbi Michael Lerner, Cynthia McKinney and Howard Zinn. Benjamin and Evans are serious fundraisers for Obama. Lerner was Hillary Clinton's adviser on a number of issues. McKinney was a member of congress, and Zinn's books are used throughout the US educational system.
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    But according to you, you aren't paying for it.
    LIAR! I keep telling your idiot @$$ just the opposite.
    You keep insisting that when we have Single Payer, and citizens are paying into the system for it, that they will be socialism, or an idiot's idea of free, or whatever screw you have loose that week.
    LIAR! I don't keep insisting that, but it is nevertheless true.
    But you don't regard your government healthcare as free, you think you pay for it. You don't. You pay a portion of the administrative cost in a self (US Treasury) insured system and a fraction of what it will actually cost through the end of your life unless you simply drop dead.
    I realize that you are a stoopid liberal and that anything I say that goes against your liberal gods is threatening to you, but do try to keep up. If possible, I would write this to you in Crayon to keep it from being too adult for your feeble little brain, but alas, not possible. The cost of my health care is not the discussion, my health INSURANCE WAS. Do you understand the difference between the two?

    Now for little Retard boy who cannot understand simple concepts:
    I Pay For My Health Insurance just like Teachers pay for theirs. Is that clear enough? I Chose to spend 26 years of my life in the military, a VALID expense for the government. That qualified me to PAY for post service INSURANCE.
    I worked those 26 years.
    I earned the right to retire.
    I PAY FOR MY INSURANCE! Did you get that DUmmy? I PAY for it with the proceeds of my EARNED retirement.
    No liberal Jackass pays it, I do. ( I will accept your charity however if you desire to continue your idiocy).

    I'm not concerned about fractions of cost etc, or anything else as it is the system I paid 26 years of my life into and now pay directly. I get that you want to justify your socialism using whatever means, it just won't work. I pay to a health insurance and receive health CARE from a HOSPITAL when I need it. That HEALTH CARE does not have US ARMY written on it. It is a local, PRIVATE Health CARE center. Pull the finger out of your nose for a minute and try to get that through your diseased, atrophied brain. There is a world of difference between health CARE and health INSURANCE.


    Now for homework, go write the definitions for health INSURANCE and health CARE 1000 times each. Class dismissed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmPat View Post
    The cost of my health care is not the discussion, my health INSURANCE WAS. Do you understand the difference between the two?

    Now for little Retard boy who cannot understand simple concepts:
    I Pay For My Health Insurance just like Teachers pay for theirs. Is that clear enough? I Chose to spend 26 years of my life in the military, a VALID expense for the government. That qualified me to PAY for post service INSURANCE.
    It looks like insurance, but it isn't. The government is self-insured, ie they pay for all of your covered health care expenses. You may well have a layer on top of that which appears to be an insurance company, but they are actually a delivery system ie administrative. It's like Medicare Advantage; the premium paid to Humana or United in a Medicare advantage program is not a premium in the sense that you are buying a policy from them, it's a program participation fee negotiated between the government and the company for administrative costs and profit.

    What is Tricare premium? Something between $53 and $197 a month? That might get you a catastrophic policy with a $10,000 deductible in the real insurance market. When you pay $17 a day to be in the hospital, the rest of the negotiated fee is paid by the taxpayers.
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    Barry wants to make it possible for Mooselims to engage in sharia law...in America.

    hes never said anything regarding our Liberties as Christians.

    hes a marxist FIRST.....a muslim by accident....and a ficitonal "Christian" last for convenience sake
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    It looks like insurance, but it isn't. The government is self-insured, ie they pay for all of your covered health care expenses. You may well have a layer on top of that which appears to be an insurance company, but they are actually a delivery system ie administrative. It's like Medicare Advantage; the premium paid to Humana or United in a Medicare advantage program is not a premium in the sense that you are buying a policy from them, it's a program participation fee negotiated between the government and the company for administrative costs and profit.

    What is Tricare premium? Something between $53 and $197 a month? That might get you a catastrophic policy with a $10,000 deductible in the real insurance market. When you pay $17 a day to be in the hospital, the rest of the negotiated fee is paid by the taxpayers.
    Call it what you want, I pay for it. I don't set the cost or price, I simply pay the monthly premium. I paid for group health care as a teacher also, do you attack them as well? Why not? It's less than other GROUP HEALTH INSURANCE! TRICARE is Insurance regardless your euphemistic semantics. Simply because you weren't man enough, or brave enough to qualify or join an Armed Service is not a good reason to attack the services provided to braver men than you. You were wrong and cannot stomach the thought that you were thoroughly schooled,,,,,,,again by a Conservative. Now take your wounded ego and move on to something a little less complicated.
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