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    WASHINGTON An Army officer ordered a court-martial Friday for a low-ranking intelligence analyst charged in the biggest leak of classified information in U.S. history.

    Military District of Washington commander Maj. Gen. Michael Linnington referred all charges against Pfc. Bradley Manning to a general court-martial, the Army said in a statement.

    The referral means Manning will stand trial for allegedly giving more than 700,000 secret U.S. documents and classified combat video to the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks for publication.

    The 24-year-old Crescent, Oklahoma, native faces 22 counts, including aiding the enemy. He could be imprisoned for life if convicted of that charge.

    A judge who is yet to be appointed will set the trial date.

    Manning's lead defense counsel, civilian attorney David Coombs, didn't immediately return a call Friday evening seeking comment on the decision.

    Defense lawyers say Manning was clearly a troubled young soldier whom the Army should never have deployed to Iraq or given access to classified material while he was stationed there from late 2009 to mid-2010.


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    Defense lawyers say Manning was clearly a troubled young soldier whom the Army should never have deployed to Iraq or given access to classified material while he was stationed there from late 2009 to mid-2010.

    I realize that these are defense attorneys, and it's their job to say or do anything legal to help the defendant..... but seriously, the argument is that the Army should have known Manning was likely to do something like this? And that would let him off the hook?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Defense lawyers say Manning was clearly a troubled young soldier whom the Army should never have deployed to Iraq or given access to classified material while he was stationed there from late 2009 to mid-2010.

    I realize that these are defense attorneys, and it's their job to say or do anything legal to help the defendant..... but seriously, the argument is that the Army should have known Manning was likely to do something like this? And that would let him off the hook?
    His defense lawyers actually are trying to claim with a straight face that he's some kind of Whistle Blower and a patriot that should be released and have a parade thrown for immediately.

    This traitor has become the poster child for every ant-War group out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Defense lawyers say Manning was clearly a troubled young soldier whom the Army should never have deployed to Iraq or given access to classified material while he was stationed there from late 2009 to mid-2010.

    I realize that these are defense attorneys, and it's their job to say or do anything legal to help the defendant..... but seriously, the argument is that the Army should have known Manning was likely to do something like this? And that would let him off the hook?
    Yep. That's the best that they can do.

    And, in all fairness, the army was negligent. Manning should never have gotten a TS clearance with his baggage. Before DADT was repealed, he was openly gay (or at least not doing anything to hide it) and involved in an affair with a drag queen, who dumped him shortly before he decided to steal and leak the documents. By every objective measure, he was a huge security risk. He should not have been in uniform, much less granted a clearance and deployed. However, this doesn't take him off of the hook for having deliberately leaked documents. That was his decision, and he is responsible for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Yep. That's the best that they can do.

    And, in all fairness, the army was negligent. Manning should never have gotten a TS clearance with his baggage. Before DADT was repealed, he was openly gay (or at least not doing anything to hide it) and involved in an affair with a drag queen, who dumped him shortly before he decided to steal and leak the documents. By every objective measure, he was a huge security risk. He should not have been in uniform, much less granted a clearance and deployed. However, this doesn't take him off of the hook for having deliberately leaked documents. That was his decision, and he is responsible for it.
    Speaking of which, how long should we expect it to be before US bases are crawling with Iraq/Afghan war brides?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Speaking of which, how long should we expect it to be before US bases are crawling with Iraq/Afghan war brides?

    Won't see it any time soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    Won't see it any time soon.
    Is it actively discouraged in some way not previously employed? Or is it simply that Iraqi and Afghan women aren't as alluring as Vietnamese, Filipino, Japanese, British, and German? Not trying to be funny, seriously curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Is it actively discouraged in some way not previously employed? Or is it simply that Iraqi and Afghan women aren't as alluring as Vietnamese, Filipino, Japanese, British, and German? Not trying to be funny, seriously curious.

    I think IIRC the military learned it's lesson on this from Vietnam and tightened the regs.

    I can only recall one instance in my career where anyone tried to bring back a war bride and that was in Somalia. But there was more red tape involved in trying to make that happen than was worth the end result.
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    As for the Brits Germans etc...the laws are different because we aren't at war with them.

    What I said above was more in line with places where we are actively engaged in combat.

    And while I'm sure there are some beautiful women of Afghan origin...the ones that were born raised and are surviving in that country in their 20's and 30's due to a hard life look like they are 50.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Is it actively discouraged in some way not previously employed? Or is it simply that Iraqi and Afghan women aren't as alluring as Vietnamese, Filipino, Japanese, British, and German? Not trying to be funny, seriously curious.
    I knew of an officer in Kyrgyzstan who had been deployed there so often that he had a wife and family with a local national. That is the only instance I've heard of though. When I deployed while I was single I certainly appreciated how attractive the women were over there, but the thought of actually getting in a relationship with them was the last thing on my mind. I imagine that it's the same for most people. Not to mention that the oppurtunities afforded to develop such a relationship are extremely restricted now. There was no wandering off base in Iraq/Afghanistan. In the other countries where we are allowed off base, it's in supervised trips.

    So yeah, as Tx stated, the military really cracked down on this.
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