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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    Didn't The Hurt Locker win the Academy Award for best picture?
    Winning the Academy Award is just them continuing to promote the things they like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    Ah. I see the disconnect. If it isn't The Green Berets, it is "anti-war."
    You're flailing. It's an antiwar movie, but don't take my word for it.

    The war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan and the "war on terror" (to use the increasingly forgotten Rumsfeldian formulation) never really got their John Wayne/Green Berets moment in Hollywood: a big movie whose unembarrassed purpose is to endorse the military action. Most of the serious responses have been liberal-patriot fence-straddlers, multistranded stories urgently set in Washington, the Middle East, south Asia and elsewhere, tying themselves in knots in an attempt to acknowledge a dovey point of view while covertly leaning to the hawk's – pictures such as Stephen Gaghan's Syriana, which showed torture in terms of CIA man George Clooney being tortured by an Arab, Robert Redford's mealy-mouthed Lions for Lambs, Gavin Hood's issue-fudging Rendition, and Peter Berg's The Kingdom, with its feeble moral equivalence between jihadist zealots and the US army.

    How weird and ironic, then, that the nearest thing we have to Wayne is also the best and most insightful anti-war film about Iraq: Kathryn Bigelow's blazingly powerful action movie The Hurt Locker, whose unpretentious clarity makes for a refreshing change.
    Some critics have hailed “The Hurt Locker” because the film “doesn’t take sides” in the Iraq War — like that’s an admirable thing! I wonder if there were critics during the Civil War that hailed plays or books for being “balanced” about slavery, or if there were those who praised films during World War II for “not taking sides?” I keep reading that the reason Iraq War films haven’t done well at the box office is because they’ve been partisan (meaning anti-war).

    The truth is “The Hurt Locker” is very political. It says the war is stupid and senseless and insane. It makes us consider why we have an army where people actually volunteer to do this. That’s why the right wing has attacked the movie. They’re not stupid — they know what Kathryn Bigelow is up to. No one leaves this movie thinking, “Whoopee! Let’s keep these wars going another 7 years!”
    --Michael Moore
    And, the author of the movie, Mark Boal, also wrote The Valley of Elah, one of the most overtly anti-war movies of the previous bombs.

    So, if leftists like Michael Moore and the movie reviewer for the Guardian say that it's anti-war, and the author is overtly anti-war, and the movie's opening blurb about war being a drug is anti-war, then yeah, I'd say that it's anti-war.
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    No one leaves this movie thinking, “Whoopee! Let’s keep these wars going another 7 years!”

    Talk about flailing .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    Ah. I see the disconnect. It's between my ears...
    Fixxored for accuracy....:eek::p
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    No one leaves this movie thinking, “Whoopee! Let’s keep these wars going another 7 years!”

    Talk about flailing ...
    Yes we see you doing that with every response. You really should stop while you're behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    No one leaves this movie thinking, “Whoopee! Let’s keep these wars going another 7 years!”

    Talk about flailing .....
    Taking one line out of context while ignoring the rest of Moore's comment is pathetic, even for you. Just admit that you're wrong and we can move on to the next topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Taking one line out of context while ignoring the rest of Moore's comment is pathetic, even for you. Just admit that you're wrong and we can move on to the next topic.
    He's not even trying anymore. I used to have a modicum of respect for AD, his recent posts made me realize he is a typical, lying liberal who cannot admit his ideological or personal failures. (For AD who acts like he doesn't care: Yes, I just called you a LIAR).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Oh, yes it did. In order for a movie to make money, it has to generate at least four times its production budget. Half of the gross for any movie is taken by the theaters at the box office. Half of what is left goes to the distributors. That leaves one-fourth of the gross for the production company/studio. The movie had a production budget of $11 million, which means that its break-even point was $44 million. IMDB had its domestic gross at $12,647,089, so the studio got back roughly $3.15 million on an $11 million investment.

    The irony of making a box office bomb about a bomb-disposal crew speaks for itself.
    I didn't quite finish my post, but I was tired and didn't care. It was an indie film with very limited release in the box-office, for an indie movie it did fairly well, in comparison to the other anti-war movies and Iraq/Afghan-themed movies it did well also. Compared to typical movies, yes it bombed and was a POS (part of the reason I've never seen it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmPat View Post
    He's not even trying anymore. I used to have a modicum of respect for AD, his recent posts made me realize he is a typical, lying liberal who cannot admit his ideological or personal failures. (For AD who acts like he doesn't care: Yes, I just called you a LIAR).
    Between this and the thread on honor killings, he's definitely lost the plot, as my wife would say. http://www.conservativeunderground.c...d=1#post481523
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