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    Maths 'too hard for students and dons': Universities drop subject from science courses

    Universities are dropping maths from degree courses because students – and their lecturers – cannot cope with it, a report warns today. Decades of substandard maths education in schools has led to a ‘crisis’ in England’s number skills, threatening the future of the economy, it says.

    Universities are being forced to dumb down degree courses requiring the use of maths, including sciences, economics, psychology and social sciences. Students are unable to tackle complex problems and their lecturers struggle to teach them anyway, it is claimed. >>>

    After looking at maths education in other countries, the authors found that lessons and qualifications in English schools were ‘not fit for purpose’. They say that classes fail to stretch the brightest while leaving weaker pupils ill-equipped to use maths for work and family budgeting, and warn of a growing knock-on effect on universities.

    ‘English universities are sidelining quantitative and mathematical content because students and staff lack the requisite confidence and ability,’ the report says, adding that English universities are ‘not keeping pace’ with international standards. Some universities are no longer advertising the level of maths needed to study particular subjects for fear of putting off applicants, the report warns.

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    Kids are ready to go. Train and educate them, and they do respond. Fill them with mush, and mush they will retain. And generations of welfare recipients are taking its toll on society. When you have three, possibly four, generations now with no family history of having worked gainfully, even the incentive to learn is being bred out of the genes. Math is a great discipline for learning how to think, something that must not be tolerated in our new socialist world order.
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    I can understand some degrees but economics? Science? How in the world can you get a science degree (other than maybe Biology ... the science of naming things) without the math?
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    Western civilization has already committed suicide, all that remains is to fall over.

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    I chose WMU over MSU because at the time, I could get a BSW without taking a single math class. That is no longer possible at WMU, it wasn't a year after I started, but it applied to me because I entered under that policy. I took two science classes instead, one was called "Landscapes of National Parks".




    I am that math challenged. I had some good teachers, but the two or three bad ones happened to be in crucial years. My sixth grade math teacher told me "It's a good thing you're a girl, because girls don't need to be good at math".
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    ..............I am that math challenged. I had some good teachers, but the two or three bad ones happened to be in crucial years. My sixth grade math teacher told me "It's a good thing you're a girl, because girls don't need to be good at math".......
    *Derail thread*.....I don't understand that. You are a musician of some sort, aren't you? Musicians universally (I thought) had superior math and mechanical skills..... Music was taught as a form of math by the Greeks..... The Japanese code was broken by the band from one of the ships sunk and Pearl Harbor.....test after test has revealed that little oddity....

    Unless you are a singer - they're different - you are an unexplained and rare anomaly:)
    *Thread back on track*

    Thank God the article concerned itself with schools in England. I know we complain a lot about American schools, but at least we have not sunk to the level of the English. Still, to this day, if a superior student from another continent has the opportunity, they will choose to advance their education here in America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    Thank God the article concerned itself with schools in England. I know we complain a lot about American schools, but at least we have not sunk to the level of the English. Still, to this day, if a superior student from another continent has the opportunity, they will choose to advance their education here in America.
    I view this as a kind of warning. We often look to our cousins across the pond to see what is coming our way. Esp on matters regarding the degeneration of a free and informed society.
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    While I pursued a degree in math my daughter just could not handle it. We worked each and every school year and she worked very hard. She ended up with decent grades simply by memorizing.

    Then she taught 3rd grade- while using the counting sticks to teach the kids it all dawned on her in a flash. Now she has no problem.

    Side note - From my perspective there are two things here. There is arithmetic and then there is math. Seriously I am a whale of an arithmetician but a less than astute mathematician. This realization came after working closely for a time with two folks with PhD’s in Mathematics. Their brains are wired differently.
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    You can only teach someone so much math. A lot of people, myself included, just dont have the tolerance for it. Teaching an English major calculus makes no sense and really only alienates people from getting an education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    *Derail thread*.....I don't understand that. You are a musician of some sort, aren't you? Musicians universally (I thought) had superior math and mechanical skills..... Music was taught as a form of math by the Greeks..... The Japanese code was broken by the band from one of the ships sunk and Pearl Harbor.....test after test has revealed that little oddity....

    Unless you are a singer - they're different - you are an unexplained and rare anomaly:)
    *Thread back on track*

    Thank God the article concerned itself with schools in England. I know we complain a lot about American schools, but at least we have not sunk to the level of the English. Still, to this day, if a superior student from another continent has the opportunity, they will choose to advance their education here in America.
    I played the violin through high school. I was pretty good by those standards, but not "good enough". I never understood music theory, and my teacher didn't bother trying to teach it to me after a while, and we focused mostly on technique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retread View Post
    While I pursued a degree in math my daughter just could not handle it. We worked each and every school year and she worked very hard. She ended up with decent grades simply by memorizing.

    Then she taught 3rd grade- while using the counting sticks to teach the kids it all dawned on her in a flash. Now she has no problem.

    Side note - From my perspective there are two things here. There is arithmetic and then there is math. Seriously I am a whale of an arithmetician but a less than astute mathematician. This realization came after working closely for a time with two folks with PhD’s in Mathematics. Their brains are wired differently.
    Obviously, there are savants but for normal people like me I think it is like the athlete's "muscle memory." If you work at math, practice it over and over, your brain has that same "muscle memory" and things like differential equations are easily dealt with.

    But if you stop, your brain gets flabby.
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