So Hockeymom..........the Catholic Church is FORCING you to work for them?Star Member HockeyMom (7,426 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
These Catholic Bishops make me FURIOUS
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I parted company with the Church at 15 years old. So why do I, and especially my daughters, have to be FORCED to live under THEIR rules? YOUR religous rights END where MINE begin. What can't they understand about this? They have no right to tell me, my daughter, or anyone else who doesn't share their beliefs, how they must live their lives. I, and other women, including my daughter, will have as many children as SHE and her husband decides, NOT CATHOLIC RELIGION. If she wants to prevent children from being conceived and uses BC, she has THAT RIGHT in a country where there is separation of church and state. No Church, Government, or Politician has the right to tell her and her husband how many, or IF ANY, children to have.
My older daughter is a lesbian who is engaged to marry in NY. YOUR church doesn't have to marry her, BUT you do not have the right to tell her she cannot marry. She doesn't belong to YOUR RELIGION and will have a CIVIL Marriage CONTRACT, which is just as valid a marriage as any straight couple who doesn't marry in a church.
If you believe in their faith, that is your business, but it is EVERYBODY'S business when they try to impose their beliefs on ALL PEOPLE.
First of all....the Catholic Church is NOT imposing their beliefs on EVERYONE else.....they just don't want to be forced to support something that is against their beliefs that they have about the sanctity of life.
It is you HOCKEYMOM that wants to impose YOUR BELIEFS one everyone, including the Catholic Church.
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3. IF, and that's IF, they believe what they're saying
The Bishops have no choice but to be forceful advocates for their position, as does anyone who believes they're 100% in the right.
The mystifying thing to me is why so many people sign onto the Bishops' framing of this issue. I suppose I can understand other Catholics, but popular media outlets aren't Catholic (I don't think), and yet, they present the Bishops' argument as if it were Holy Writ, not to be questioned, instead of just one position (and a minority position at that) out of many in the arena of ideas.
My beef is with the talking chuckleheads who can't figure this out, aided and abetted by cynical political types taking advantage of the situation to pretend that there's some First Amendment violation going on.we can do it (3,676 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. Catholic Bishops and Funduhmentalist Bigots Make Me Sick
they need to keep their shit to themselves..they have the freedom to have their kooky ideas, we should have the freedom from it.Star Member Aerows (6,702 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. They and the GOP
have crapped in their proverbial mess kit over this issue and don't realize it yet. The fact that women take it so that they don't get pregnant and therefore can't have abortions, has exposed them as not being anywhere near concerned about "pro-life". The fact that they don't want birth control for women whom have health issues for which birth control can prevent pain, complications or surgery reveals that they don't care about women's health.
What it has revealed is that they don't care about anything other than placing women under the thumb of men, and do not care about medical privacy, medical care, or patient/doctor confidentiality unless it's for men. If it's for men, then everyone needs to shut up and let men run things and tend to their own medical affairs.
I don't think either group realizes the enormity of what their message has turned out to be, and it has soured many women on both religion and the GOP.