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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    I'm curious as to what Intelligence sources people are citing to determine Iran is absolutely positively making a nuclear weapon. I hope it's not Fox or MSNBC, or CNN or Congress critters or any other media outlets.
    Everyone knows these media oulets are propaganda pure and simple. At best they are just terrible, lazy, unreliable excuses for journalists. The thing is, it doesn't matter.

    All of the "sources" these networks cite are anoynmous government or "expert" sources.

    it's the exact same game that was played 10 years ago in the run-up to invading Iraq. Remember how certain everyone was that Iraq had WMD's? Remember how the New York Times and ABC, and NBC and CNN ran with anonymous sources devoid of any truth? Remember how Fox was practically cheerleading the entire time?

    People remember, but they just don't care.





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    Iran is unlikely to initiate or intentionally provoke a conflict - LTG Ronald R. Burgess Jr. Director Defense Intelligence Agnecy; FEB 18, 2012

    The intelligence does not show the decision to proceed with developing a nuclear weapon - Leon Panetta US Secretary of Defense FEB 18, 2012

    While the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material at the nuclear facilities and LOFs declared by Iran under its Safeguards Agreement, as Iran is not providing the necessary cooperation, including by not implementing its Additional Protocol, the Agency is unable to provide credible assurance about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran, and therefore to conclude that all nuclear material in Iran is in peaceful activities. - IAEA report conclusion November 2011

    Lol it simply doesn't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    Those are US military bases around Iran.

    Meanwhile, the wardrums are beating in unison and everyone's panties are in a bunch, hysterical because they believe Iran is a threat to us. It's a joke.

    However, it's not about facts. When your ideological framework, the way you make sense of yourself and the world, depends on believing lies, then no amount of facts will ever change that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    That was the other thing. He said we should establish trade with Cuba. This guy is completely off the deep end.
    that part I don't have a problem with. Flood the market, normalize relations, it's the expat Cuban's in FL that keep us from being smart about Cuba, it's asinine...


    still boggles my mind that Cuba didn't become US territory and the Philippines did
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    Quote Originally Posted by Articulate_Ape View Post
    I'm gonna watch the whole thing online. If he did say that, then that's a real problem as far as I'm concerned.
    Monkey no wanna talk about it I guess.
    How is obama working out for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Everyone knows these media oulets are propaganda pure and simple. At best they are just terrible, lazy, unreliable excuses for journalists. The thing is, it doesn't matter.

    All of the "sources" these networks cite are anoynmous government or "expert" sources.

    it's the exact same game that was played 10 years ago in the run-up to invading Iraq. Remember how certain everyone was that Iraq had WMD's? Remember how the New York Times and ABC, and NBC and CNN ran with anonymous sources devoid of any truth? Remember how Fox was practically cheerleading the entire time?

    People remember, but they just don't care.





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    Lol it simply doesn't matter.
    Gibberish gibberish more gibberish................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Those are US military bases around Iran.

    Meanwhile, the wardrums are beating in unison and everyone's panties are in a bunch, hysterical because they believe Iran is a threat to us. It's a joke.

    However, it's not about facts. When your ideological framework, the way you make sense of yourself and the world, depends on believing lies, then no amount of facts will ever change that.
    Gibberish gibberish more gibberish................
    How is obama working out for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    I guess he's going off the dozen different intelligence reports out there that all conflict on what is happening.

    Some believe Iran already has them. Pakistan sure does.

    Some of us believe that we've got the matter pretty well in hand.

    Your map is a bit off. Ganci and Manas are the same base, and it's uselss for any Iranian conflict given what we have there. We don't have any real military assets at any of those locations in Pakistan, likewise in Iraq. Uzbekistan doesn't want us in their country anymore, they booted us out a while ago. Those places in Oman are all logistics locations, and most of them we have minimal assets on the ground because we just use them locations as alternates when we can't get into our primary, or to store materials. We've got nothing at Prince Sultan anymore as well.

    Next time you try to make a point, use something that isn't outdated and useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    Your map is a bit off. Ganci and Manas are the same base, and it's uselss for any Iranian conflict given what we have there. We don't have any real military assets at any of those locations in Pakistan, likewise in Iraq. Uzbekistan doesn't want us in their country anymore, they booted us out a while ago. Those places in Oman are all logistics locations, and most of them we have minimal assets on the ground because we just use the locations as alternates when we can't get into our primary. We've got nothing at Prince Sultan anymore as well.

    Next time you try to make a point, use something that isn't outdated and useless.
    not to mention that we're closing the bases in Iraq due to the Idiot-in-Chief's lack of effort to back the troops
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor
    Gibberish gibberish more gibberish................
    The ideological mind is exceptionally skilled at filtering out facts that threaten the world view that sustains it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Smith - Wealth of Nations
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Everyone knows these media oulets are propaganda pure and simple. At best they are just terrible, lazy, unreliable excuses for journalists. The thing is, it doesn't matter.

    All of the "sources" these networks cite are anoynmous government or "expert" sources.

    it's the exact same game that was played 10 years ago in the run-up to invading Iraq. Remember how certain everyone was that Iraq had WMD's? Remember how the New York Times and ABC, and NBC and CNN ran with anonymous sources devoid of any truth? Remember how Fox was practically cheerleading the entire time?

    People remember, but they just don't care.

    Lol it simply doesn't matter.
    You want to know what happened to Saddam's WMDs? Just watch Syria.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Those are US military bases around Iran.
    Uh, no. Incirlik is a Turkish air base, and we don't have any bases in Pakistan, Oman or the UAE. The bases in Iraq have been shut down as part of our withdrawal, or they've been turned over to the Iraqis. Camp Doha, in Kuwait, was shut down years ago, and I've never heard of Camp Commando, but it looks like it might be co-located with Arifjan. The rest of the bases run the gamut from small Forward Operating Bases, or FOBs, to a couple of air bases that can be used as power projection platforms, but simply throwing stars on a map wherever there's an American presence is extremely misleading.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Meanwhile, the wardrums are beating in unison and everyone's panties are in a bunch, hysterical because they believe Iran is a threat to us. It's a joke.

    However, it's not about facts. When your ideological framework, the way you make sense of yourself and the world, depends on believing lies, then no amount of facts will ever change that.
    I genuinely love reading strategic analysis from someone who doesn't have any knowledge or experience on the subject. After all, it's not like Iran could block the Strait of Hormuz and severely impact the flow of oil, could they? Oh, wait, they could! And it's not like Iran has developed multiple stage missiles under the pretense of a space program or put satellites in orbit, right? Uh oh... well, what do you know? They have! But, at least they haven't threatened to launch nuclear weapons against Israel or the US, have they? Uh, okay, they have, but that's just bluster, right? If Iran were a threat to the US, they'd be doing other things, like creating munitions designed to kill our troops in armored vehicles and passing them on to terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan, or planning terrorist operations within the US, or bankrolling, training and arming terror groups that have killed Americans... Nope, nothing to see here, folks. Field Marshall Wei has shown us how much he knows about national security.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    The ideological mind is exceptionally skilled at filtering out facts that threaten the world view that sustains it.

    One could say that about a person who still believes in Socialism in 2012.
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