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    I wonder how much gas was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TVDOC View Post
    "Bright" white people live and establish their businesses in the suburbs, send their children to good schools, shop at Albertsons, Macy's, Bloomingdales, and even (gasp) Walmart.......where there is no need to make their purchases through a drawer in two inches of Lexan..........such intelligent humans only venture into the inner-city cesspools if they happen to have their office there, and for no longer than necessary.......

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    It's always interesting to look inside the experience of a person such as yourself. You are truly ignorant in the dictionary sense of the word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    It's always interesting to look inside the experience of a person such as yourself. You are truly ignorant in the dictionary sense of the word.
    Well.....in the dictionary sense of the word, "ignorant" boils down to "uneducated"**, so in the "dictionary" you use, a person that spent 13 years in academia, and earned three degrees (none of which were in "humanities"), was awarded one honorary degree for expertise in a highy technical area......is uneducated???

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    1. Lacking education or knowledge.
    2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
    3. Unaware or uninformed.
    Strange world you live in.......what color is the sky there??

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    Quote Originally Posted by TVDOC View Post
    Well.....in the dictionary sense of the word, "ignorant" boils down to "uneducated"**, so in the "dictionary" you use, a person that spent 13 years in academia, and earned three degrees (none of which were in "humanities"), was awarded one honorary degree for expertise in a highy technical area......is uneducated???

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    Strange world you live in.......what color is the sky there??

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    Doc, I hope you're sitting down and near a toilet. His "sky" is a combination of colors best described as those found deep inside a colon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmPat View Post
    Doc, I hope you're sitting down and near a toilet. His "sky" is a combination of colors best described as those found deep inside a colon.
    Which is....apparently......where he/she/its head (among other appendages) tends to most frequently reside......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    For some reason I'm thinking that if NOI and other black activists can beg or borrow the money to build a mosque or a "community center" then they shouldn't have any trouble pulling together a group to open up black owned corner stores and liquor stores. So why haven't they? Could it be because black people won't put up with the level of abuse, theft, and threat that the Arabs do?

    My town isn't black and yet all the corner stores are owned by Arabs of some sort. It pisses me off. I don't know why it's like that. Maybe brightwhite people won't work the hours. Maybe brightwhite people won't put their lives on the line for a drawer with $100 in it. The Cubans have a market that closes at 7pm. The Vietnamese own several grocery stores uptown which close at 7 pm. Brightwhite people own produce stands, barber shops, and dog groomers, bars, and restaurants.

    I don't even want to know what you mean by "Brightwhite people".

    The main reason the corner stores are owned by people from other countries is that most of the businesses were bought for cash. I don't know how it works for people from asian countries, but the arabs around here started buying the corner stores after the 67 riots, when the previous owners were desperate to get out of Detroit. They had the cash, and the banks wouldn't loan money to black people in those days, regardless of their income or assets. So the arabs were able to buy the stores and make enough money to buy more stores and put their sons/nephews/brothers into business when they came here, and they expanded their liquor store/gas station empire to the burbs.

    It's capitalism at work. The arabs who own the stores work hard to maintain their businesses, and are rewarded with the profits.

    I can see both sides of the situation, but it is what it is and we can't turn the clock back to 1967 and force the Detroit banks (none of which still exist at this point because all have been taken over by national banks) to retroactively address a wrong from 40 years ago.
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    Anyone heard from Sandra Fluke?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/03/...ce-of-condoms/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Detroit Councilman Kwame Kenyatta is drafting an ordinance that would require gas station owners to hire security guards to protect the public.

    “And as we watch this man was beaten on camera and crawled into the station, never once did I see the proprietor, as well as the people who were going to that gas station, help that individual. We are saying secure your facility, safeguard us as a community,” said Kenyatta.
    Doesn't the city of Detroit have some organization that... I don't know, does something like that? You know, goes out into the communities and provides security and law enforcement? If not, perhaps the city could hire people to do that, and make them recognizable with uniforms, badges and specially marked vehicles. Just a thought, which appears to be more than this councilman had.

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    Scott said part of the problem is the general relationship between customers in the communities and gas station owners and employees.

    “The problem basically is that you have people who work in the stations who do not have a reasonable relationship with the community, where the respect for the dollars that they spend is accorded to them in the terms of human respect. On the other hand, you do have people in the neighborhood who come in, or people who might engage in negative activity, where the lives of the owners are threatened,” said Scott.

    What it comes down to, said Scott, is respect.


    Oh forgodsake, we have two elected officials trying to excuse criminal behavior by blaming the victims for not adequately protecting themselves. In prison logic and lingo no less.
    Not only that, but the city of Detroit goes to great trouble to deny the victims the means to protect themselves. I'll bet that not one person in that gas station had a CCL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    I don't even want to know what you mean by "Brightwhite people".

    The main reason the corner stores are owned by people from other countries is that most of the businesses were bought for cash. I don't know how it works for people from asian countries, but the arabs around here started buying the corner stores after the 67 riots, when the previous owners were desperate to get out of Detroit. They had the cash, and the banks wouldn't loan money to black people in those days, regardless of their income or assets. So the arabs were able to buy the stores and make enough money to buy more stores and put their sons/nephews/brothers into business when they came here, and they expanded their liquor store/gas station empire to the burbs.

    It's capitalism at work. The arabs who own the stores work hard to maintain their businesses, and are rewarded with the profits.

    I can see both sides of the situation, but it is what it is and we can't turn the clock back to 1967 and force the Detroit banks (none of which still exist at this point because all have been taken over by national banks) to retroactively address a wrong from 40 years ago.
    A fairly accurate analysis, however I don't believe that Detroit's business climate can be laid at the feet of the banks (either past or present). Banks, be they local, regional, or national are always profit-oriented. If a loan or investment carries a high risk, they will pass.......unless acted upon by an outside force (such as federal loan guarantees).

    This is coming from a person who enjoyed dragging Woodward Avenue every Saturday night when in undergrad school. Detroit used to be a thriving beautiful city, full of economic opportunites.......what changed was the population.

    Detroit is a "worst case scenario", however the problems there are shared by any American urban core......we hear the same complaints from the inner-city indiginous black population here in the midwest......."why are there no supermarkets, chain pharmacies, department stores, etc. here....?." The answer is simple: Large price-competitive merchandisers operate on low profit margins, they cannot afford to place stores in locations where shoplifting, robberies, carjacking, and other forms of crime are rampant. Their profit margins would be instantly eaten up by security and inventory-shrinkage loss prevention.

    Not that it will ever happen, but the obvious solution is that the black inner-city community needs to take a good long hard objective look in the mirror, and come to the conclusion that they need to start solving their OWN problems, not making excuses for them, and blaming others......

    No amount of federal/state "investment", or urban redevelopment funding is going to change a drug dealer/user, petty thief, armed robber into an honest citizen.......changing the family environment that spawns these problems is the only solution, and that appears to be unattainable in that "culture". Sadly, the culture seems to encourage such behavior.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    On the other side, the mostly arab people who own and operate most of the neighborhood stores and gas stations...

    ...but the arabs around here started buying the corner stores after the 67 riots, when the previous owners were desperate to get out of Detroit.
    For someone that has lived in Michigan and the Detroit area for as long as you have, I would think that you would at least know something about the area.

    The party stores, c-stores and gas stations are not owned mostly owned by Arabs, they are mostly owned by Chaldeans.
    Chaldeans are Roman Catholic Christians from primarily the Iraq area that left because of religious persecution.

    Educate yourself

    Mike George is the primary reason many of the Detroit area stores are owned by Chaldeans today. He was born in Detroit and created a financing system to help other Chaldeans buy the stores.
    My father did business with Mike for many years and Mike has always been an American first and damned proud of it.
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