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    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    But he is half white and that's the half they're going after. See, if you're mixed, the half of you that is attacked is very subjective.
    So is Obama, but he is considered black. The same rules should apply here, especially considering that the young man himself identifies as Hispanic on all his documents.
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    So that we don't forget:





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    The "kid" was snooping around the clubhouse. I can now understand why Zimmerman found his actions suspicious. Because they WERE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor2012 View Post
    The "kid" was snooping around the clubhouse. I can now understand why Zimmerman found his actions suspicious. Because they WERE.
    Whatever he was doing, Trayvon was not in a hurry to get home for the NBA All Star Game, which started at 7:30. The pregame was at 7.
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    Typical manipulation of the masses by the lamestream press......since they keep showing Trayvon only as a young, sweetly smiling 'child'. The truth is....he grew into a 6'3" man...and was not so 'sweet' any more.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't already have a police record.

    At the best he wasn't too awfully bright, perhaps with a chip on his shoulder. At the worst, he could have been 'on something' and looking to break in and steal something.

    I just hope all of this media hype and the usual suspect black activists don't keep the truth from coming out. It's happened before.


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    Interesting article on Zimmerman and race; George is Peruvian. Also points out that Zimmerman was a victim of an assault as a teen. Maybe that's why he wanted to be a cop.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...mmerman23.html

    Florida shooter George Zimmerman not easily pigeonholed

    A closer look at George Zimmerman, son of a Peruvian mother and a white father who is at the center of the nation's latest controversy over race.

    By Manuel Roig-Franzia, Tom Jackman and Darryl Fears

    The Washington Post

    ROBERTO GONZALEZ / AP

    Thousands attend a Thursday rally in Sanford, Fla., for Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teen shot by George Zimmerman, who was on a neighborhood-watch patrol in the gated community of Retreat at Twin Lakes.

    The shooter was once a Catholic altar boy, with a surname that could have been Jewish.

    His father is white, neighbors say. His mother is Latina. And his family is eager to point out that some of his relatives are black.

    There may be no box to check for George Zimmerman, 28, no tidy way to categorize, define and sort the man whose pull of a trigger on a Sanford, Fla., street is forcing America to once again confront its fraught relationship with race and identity. The slain victim, we know, was named Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager in a hoodie.

    The images of Zimmerman not just his face, but the words used to describe him can confound and confuse.

    Why are they calling him white, wondered Paul Ebert, the Prince William County commonwealth's attorney who knew Zimmerman's mother, Gladys, from her days as an interpreter at the county courthouse. Zimmerman's mother, Ebert knew, was Peruvian, and he thought of her as Hispanic.

    Looking at Zimmerman's photograph made Darren Soto, a Florida state legislator, think he might be Latino. But he just as easily might have been Italian or French, he thought. "It's all over the place in Florida," said Soto, who represents a statehouse district in Orlando, not far from the gated subdivision in Sanford where Martin died.

    "You have people with Anglo first and last names who speak perfect Spanish and are from Puerto Rico. And you've got a third- or fourth-generation Joey Gonzalez from Tampa who can't speak a word of Spanish."

    The focus in Florida, where thousands gathered Thursday night in Sanford for an emotional rally, has primarily been on complaints that Martin, 17, may have been targeted because of his race.

    In Manassas, Va., where Zimmerman lived in the 1980s and 1990s with his parents and two siblings, neighbors tended to define the family based on their spiritual profile. "Very Catholic ... very religious," their neighbor Jim Rudzenski recalled Thursday. The children attended All Saints Catholic School through the eighth grade before going to Osbourn High School. George became an altar server and evening receptionist at All Saints Catholic Church.

    Strict upbringing

    The father, Robert Zimmerman, is a retired military man. He could be strict. And the children's grandmother, who lived with the family, also kept a watchful eye, said Kay Hall, who lived across the street from the Zimmermans for about 20 years. George and his siblings "didn't play with the neighborhood kids," Rudzenski said. "They had to stay home and play." It was always "Yes, ma'am," "No, ma'am," Hall said.

    Zimmerman's life was not without difficulties. In 2001, when he was 17 or 18, he was the victim of a minor criminal assault, said Manassas police Sgt. Eddie Rivera. The city's computer records do not provide details.

    In school, Zimmerman hinted at ambitions in the business world. He joined a Future Business Leaders of America club. In his senior yearbook, he wrote: "I'm going to Florida to work with my godfather who just bought a $1 million business."

    In Florida, Zimmerman shifted his plans, enrolling in Seminole State College with hopes of becoming a law-enforcement officer. He became the self-appointed protector of the streets around his home in Retreat at Twin Lakes, a gated community, although his neighborhood-watch organization was not officially registered.

    In the past eight years, he called the police department at least 46 times with reports of various sightings: open garages, suspicious people. In 2005, according to police records obtained by The Orlando Sentinel and other news organizations, Zimmerman was twice accused of either criminal misconduct or violence. He had a concealed-weapon permit and had a black Kel-Tec semiautomatic handgun and a holster the night Martin died.

    Zimmerman married Shellie Nicole Dean, a licensed cosmetologist, in late 2007. The next year, he resurfaced in court documents as a credit-card company pursued him for unpaid debts.

    Capital One accused Zimmerman of failing to pay more than $1,000. He settled with the company for $2,135.82, records show, to cover his debts with interest, as well as attorney and court costs. However, the credit-card company soon reported that Zimmerman wasn't making the payments he had agreed to.

    Zimmerman's employer at the time, CarMax, agreed to garnish his wages. That arrangement was canceled in late 2008 because Zimmerman was no longer employed by CarMax.

    It's unclear how Zimmerman was employed when he encountered Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26.

    Teontae Ami, who also lives in the Retreat at Twin Lakes community, said very few black teens like himself live in the neighborhood.

    Ami, 17, said he and a close friend who is black would sit at the end of a driveway in the evening and felt uncomfortable when Zimmerman would pass them on a neighborhood patrol. They used to greet him, but he never responded, he said.

    "I think he took his job too seriously," Ami said, referring to Zimmerman's watch patrols. A student, Ami said his friend was once confronted by Zimmerman, who accused him of stealing a bike.

    "I don't want to call it a black thing, but it sure seemed like it," said Ami.

    Another neighbor, Frank Taaffe, 55, defended Zimmerman as "not a racist."

    Taaffe, a marketing specialist who had been a watch captain with Zimmerman until December, said he may have been "overzealous, maybe," but "his main concern is the safety and welfare of the community."

    He said Zimmerman had been doing watch patrols for about a year and was a stand-up guy. Records show Zimmerman is not the owner of the town home where he lives....
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    Continued.....


    Emphasizing diversity

    Zimmerman's father has sought to emphasize his family's diversity in hopes of saving his son from condemnation as a racist.

    While images of protests from across the country skitter past on television screens, the elder Zimmerman has tried to do what others have been doing, in various ways, for days: define his son. George is "a Spanish-speaking minority," the father wrote in a letter delivered to The Orlando Sentinel. "He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever." George, the father insisted, was more like the boy he killed than people thought. George was a minority the other too.

    The argument the father is making feels hollow and self-serving to Michaela Angela Davis, an African-American writer and activist who lives in New York. In her eyes, George Zimmerman's Hispanic roots don't give him cover.

    "You being a minority doesn't make you immune to racist beliefs," she said in an interview Thursday. Davis sees a pervasive cultural imprint, reinforced by media and entertainment imagery: the black man as a symbol of "violence, fear and deviant behavior." A young man could be susceptible to the influence of that image whether his "mother is from Peru or Norway."

    History of tension

    Hispanics and black Americans have a shared history of discrimination in the United States. But they also have a shared history of tension in neighborhoods, schools, even prisons. In Latin America, including Peru, Afro Latinos have frequently complained of a lack of political representation, economic disenfranchisement and the virtual absence of their image in popular culture, such as soap operas, an issue they attribute to racial exclusion.

    Zimmerman's legal fate could rest on examinations of possible motives that will be pieced together from clues, including snatches of audiotape, and from inquiries into whether he muttered a racial slur before the shooting.

    His family background doesn't discount possible racial motives, said Luis Martinez-Fernandez, a professor of Latin American and Caribbean history at the University of Central Florida. Hispanics are an ethnic group, but within that group there are different races. There are black Dominicans and Cubans, for instance.

    "Who is Hispanic and who's not is not as clear as other ethnic groups," said Martinez-Fernandez. "There's no such thing as a Hispanic race. It has to do with origin, culture and race. Some people argue that language should be a part. All this complicates identity."

    Hispanics make up the nation's largest ethnic group at more than 13 percent of the population, while African Americans are the largest racial group, with more than 12 percent of the population. In the 2010 Census, more than half of people who identified as Hispanic said they were white, and only 3 percent said they were black.

    "There's a sense that one group has been harmed historically more than the other," Martinez-Fernandez said. "There's been a history of the dominant group in power pitting one group against the other. I think we have not fought together. There have been few instances of that."

    Forging a bond

    There have been some signs in Florida that Hispanics and African Americans are forging a bond, said Soto, the state legislator. During redistricting debates in Florida, the two groups have "stuck together very solidly," he said.

    If not for a quirk of fate, Martin and Zimmerman might never have encountered each other. Several years ago, Zimmerman returned to his old neighborhood and showed up unannounced at the house across the street. He came back two more times to see George Hall, a retired Presbyterian minister.

    Zimmerman told him that he had plans. He wanted to move back to Virginia. He wanted to be a police officer, but he needed a letter of recommendation that Zimmerman could give to prospective employers.

    "I told them he was a great guy," Hall recalled. "We never did hear what happened with that."

    Post staff writers Brady Dennis, Sari Horowitz and Jeremy Borden contributed to this report. Material from The Orlando Sentinel is included in this report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor2012 View Post
    Typical manipulation of the masses by the lamestream press......since they keep showing Trayvon only as a young, sweetly smiling 'child'. The truth is....he grew into a 6'3" man...and was not so 'sweet' any more.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't already have a police record.

    At the best he wasn't too awfully bright, perhaps with a chip on his shoulder. At the worst, he could have been 'on something' and looking to break in and steal something.

    I just hope all of this media hype and the usual suspect black activists don't keep the truth from coming out. It's happened before.

    It's all been a big propaganda circus. The photos are meant to undercut the idea that Zimmerman could have been frightened of that "little boy". A 6'3'' teen, practically a man and taller than most men (outside of the NBA) could scare the shorter and out of shape Zimmerman.

    My guess is that there's a lot we don't know about both Trayvon and his dad. I believe is mom is genuinely in pain, but I think dad is looking for a big payday. I also think dad lost track of Trayvon which is why he can't remember when the teen left the house and ties it to an NBA game that was televised AFTER Trayvon's death.
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    The argument the father is making feels hollow and self-serving to Michaela Angela Davis, an African-American writer and activist who lives in New York. In her eyes, George Zimmerman's Hispanic roots don't give him cover.

    "You being a minority doesn't make you immune to racist beliefs," she said in an interview Thursday. Davis sees a pervasive cultural imprint, reinforced by media and entertainment imagery: the black man as a symbol of "violence, fear and deviant behavior." A young man could be susceptible to the influence of that image whether his "mother is from Peru or Norway."
    Tell me about it, Michaela. Anyone can be racist. Even you.
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    22. Why are you talking about Zimmerman not getting a fair trial when Trayvon didn't get any trial at all!!!111 Zimmerman was judge, jury and executioner!!1!!!

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002460596


    We are talking about Zimmerman getting a fair trial because the hysteria being whipped up could guarantee an unfair one. The judicial system should not be compromised because Weird Al Sharpton has everyone at fever pitch.

    And as far as Trayvon goes, Zimmerman did not "sit in judgment" with him and coldly pull the trigger. Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, and Zimmerman has the injuries and bleeding to prove it. Zimmerman was scared of the 6'3'' young man and was scared for his life. Under Florida law, he's allowed to shoot under those circumstances. Now disagree with the law if you like. Get it changed. But lynching Zimmerman is not going to change the fact that Trayvon attacked him physically when he could have simply gone away, hidden, gotten help, called the police himself, any number of things. Sometimes, when you pick the worst option, you get the worst result.

    And don't tell me the NRA and the guys who wrote the Florida bill think Zimmerman is guilty. They are throwing Zimmerman under the bus to protect their law. Jeesh!
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