I've actually gotten into it with leftists who believe that because those communists and socialists somehow abandoned the basic leftist ideals, that they were, in fact, right-wingers. Wei usually tries this with Stalin and the other communists, but if every person on the planet who ever called himself a socialist and ran a state indulged in mass murder, then there comes a point where you have to ask yourself if mass murder is a bug or a feature of the left.
Actually it's a by product.
"Any Government Big Enough To Give You Everything You Want Is Also Big Enough To Take Everything You Have."-Thomas Jefferson
It's obvious the liberal idiots want opposition stiffled and muffled. The question is how do the Brown Shirts propose to accomplish their goals???
Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. C. S. Lewis Do not ever say that the desire to "do good" by force is a good motive. Neither power-lust nor stupidity are good motives. (Are you listening Barry)?:mad: Ayn Rand