03-27-2012, 10:20 PM
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This backs up what we have been saying here:
– It is confirmed as per the 911 call Zimmerman made that night that once he was on foot looking for Trayvon Martin that he had LOST sight of Martin.
Police say there is about a one minute gap in between the time of end of Zimmerman’s phone call to them where they don’t know what happened and after that one minute is what they hear on the 911 call made by the resident as the struggle is in progress.
0.00: (approx. 7:00 pm): Zimmerman's call to non-emergency dispatch. He is in his vehicle
0.58-2:06: Trayvon approaches Zimmerman's vehicle.
2.06: Trayvon changes his mind and starts to run. Zimmerman still in his SUV.
2.10: Zimmerman gets out of his car. (2.10-2.14)
2:14-2:39: Zimmerman pursues Trayvon on foot. He is winded. Huffing and puffing. (Windedness: 2.20-2.45 on the tape)
2.23: Dispatch asks if Zimmerman is in pursuit.
2.26: "We don't need you to do this."
2.39: Trayvon completely disappears. Zimmerman no longer sees him.
2.39-2.45: Zimmerman's breathing calms down
2:45-4.11: Zimmerman and dispatch discuss where to meet police officer; Zimmerman gives his name and address, but registers fear that Trayvon might still be around somewhere. Clearly he doesn't see him or know where he is.
4.11-5.11 (approx): Unclear. Zimmerman claims he walked back to van and Trayvon attacked him.
5.11 (approx): First 911 calls from neighbors start.
Zimmerman told police that he’d lost sight of Martin and was headed back to his SUV when Martin confronted him and that’s when the altercation allegedly started. Zimmerman’s claims are that Martin asked him what his problem was and said that he had a problem now, and punched him in the nose and slammed his head against the sidewalk and was on top of him, beating him up, and that he (Martin) was reaching for his (Zimmerman’s) gun, and that he (Zimmerman) had no choice but to shoot to save his life.
Gotta read her whole post: http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/20...e-falls-apart/
However, she makes many of the same points we've been making here, which is a GOOD thing. It means that there are actual facts that can be backed up.
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03-27-2012, 10:51 PM
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Perfect. Just Perfect.
-Do those who plan on murdering someone typically call the police and give them their whereabouts before they commit the act? George Zimmerman did.
- Do those who plan on targeting someone for murder typically give the police all their personal information (name, address, telephone number) prior to commencing with their sinister plot? George Zimmerman did.
- Do those whose intent it was to kill someone tell the police to call them back so they can tell them where they are while they are tracking someone they view as suspicious in their neighborhood? George Zimmerman did.
- Do those who have a bloodlust for gunning down anyone who looks suspicious – black or otherwise – call 911 at all to report the activity rather than take the law into their own hands? George Zimmerman did. In fact, on the phone call he made to 911, he first describes Trayvon was walking towards his SUV like Trayvon was going to confront him then. If his intent was to kill, don’t you think he’d have pulled his gun at that time and fired?
- Do people who are on top of someone else beating them up usually call for help multiple times?
03-27-2012, 11:33 PM
Okay, here's my take on this:
I don't know enough of the facts to make an informed judgment about who is at fault in this incident. Until the inquiry is complete, none of us will. My gut feeling is that Zimmerman was a cop wannabe and that Martin was a thug wannabe, but I don't know enough to be sure, and neither does Al Sharpton or Barack Obama, who may end up having another beer summit when this is over. What I do know is that Obama desperately needs to energize his base and make his reelection campaign a racial one, in which whites are compelled by guilt to vote him a second term. As a result of his cynical manipulation of a tragic shooting, racial animosity is increasing throughout the country. Obama, Sharpton, Jackson and the media are playing with fire, and because of their recklessness, something is going to burn.
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03-28-2012, 12:09 AM
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My take on the situation is based on Zimmerman's phone call to non-emergency police dispatch and my analysis of that call. The only "pursuit" Zimmerman made was 25 seconds long during the phone call with the police and ended over a minute before the phone call ended. Zimmerman stopped trying to follow Trayvon because the kid had run off and disappeared. You can there hear his breathing calm down. (He was 5'9'' and 240; overweight.)
Then, there was only a minute between the end of that call and the beginning of the 911 calls from the neighbors. That minute is what is in dispute. Just that minute. When Zimmerman hung up with dispatch, he didn't know where Trayvon was. The kid had run off.
Now which is more likely to have happened in that minute considering the facts:
a. that George Zimmerman ran his overweight body around looking for a kid who was nowhere in sight, somehow found him, and then threatened him verbally or physically; and that both males made it back to the SUV in time to be having a physical altercation there in time for the neighbors to call 911
b. that Zimmerman finished walking back to his SUV and was getting into it when he was attacked from behind by Trayvon who had quickly returned to the scene from wherever he was hiding
Which is more likely?
I don't give a shit about the psychology or the racist accusations or the gangsta or the pot. I care about the fucking timeline and the facts on the ground as they are now known.
I know what I think happened.
EDITED TO ADD:
Sorry if I seem really angry, but the whole damned country seems to be running its mouth over this case without having a fucking clue that the "pursuit" was 25 seconds and was over before the call with the police was done. I'm tired of the projection: the Emmott Till comparisons and the "racism" accusations. Nobody fact checks. And Zimmerman's fate is going to depend on that.
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03-28-2012, 12:18 AM
What I see is a district attorney already looked at the case and on the basis of all the evidence presented to him he chose not to press charges, I'm sure he had more to study than I have or anyone here, his findings were discarded because they did not fit the narrative that liberals had already written.
The end result has already been decided and they will keep on rearranging the officials and the facts until they come up with a match for their conclusions.
03-28-2012, 12:21 AM
03-28-2012, 12:25 AM
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I can't imagine being Zimmerman and being in the middle of this firestorm. The only thing that can liberate him are the facts--and a damned good attorney, which I don't think he has.
Did you at least read the timeline?
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03-28-2012, 02:03 PM
After that post (and the hundreds of others that you have posted on this topic), you think I'm riding a high horse? You refer to Trayvon as "Baby Boy" and his father as "Absent Dad", yet you refer to the shooter by his name, George Zimmerman. You make a lot of judgemental guesses as to why he was staying with his dad, what was going on in the home, and so on, but that is not evidence regarding his death and isn't even admissible if the case comes to trial.
I don't care whether Trayvon was a perfect kid. I don't care if his family is perfect. I care that an unarmed 17 year old was shot by a "neighborhood watch" volunteer who was told by the police to stop following the kid, and that the original prosecutor took the shooter's word for it that it was self-defense without much of an investigation.
Do you know what it will come down to-the tapes of the 911 calls that the FBI is evaluating. If the screaming voice in the backround is determined to be Martin, not Zimmerman, the latter is going to be charged. If it is determined that it is George screaming, than he will not be charged.
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