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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    And here I was worrying about the impending deaths of millions of people in the Middle East. Glad to see that you have your priorities straight.
    I was addressing a specific; JB's $12 dollar a gallon scenario.


    Leaking this information serves to undermine Israel's mission to take out Iran's nukes. It provide early warning to Iran, which has repeatedly declared that it is at war with the United States. If this came out of the State Department, as Ambassador Bolton believes that it did, then the leaker needs to be in the cell next to Bradley Manning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    I hope not.I wouldn't want to be living in Israel right now so I understand their plight but as soon as the first bomb hits Iran soil we'll have $12 gas and no chance for an economic recovery anytime soon.
    I don't think an Israeli strike on Iran's Nuke facilities will have much impact on world oil supplies/prices. Any strike will be strategic , nuke sites only no oil producing sites. Oh Iran may threaten to withhold but they won't. they need the money. Same for the other ME countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    I don't think an Israeli strike on Iran's Nuke facilities will have much impact on world oil supplies/prices. Any strike will be strategic , nuke sites only no oil producing sites. Oh Iran may threaten to withhold but they won't. they need the money. Same for the other ME countries.
    I think it is more of an issue of rattling the Market. If that is all that occurs, it would be short lived. If it was a real supply disruption on the level of 1973 or 1979, that might get brutal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    I think it is more of an issue of rattling the Market. If that is all that occurs, it would be short lived. If it was a real supply disruption on the level of 1973 or 1979, that might get brutal.
    Which would be an absolute non issue if we'd already been drilling and producing on our own soil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumbAss Tanker View Post
    Quite true, though Turkey remains kind of a wild card with an unpredictable flux going on between it's Europe-looking side and its Islamist-looking side. I do wonder if the Israelis will see a need for some sort of payback to rap our knuckles for interfering in this matter, I think it's unlikely they would do that if Obama loses but they might well feel a compelled to do it if we choose four more years of Idiocracy.
    I don't think Israel will wait until November. Unless Obama threatens to pull out support for their missile shield defense. Even then Israel may by now have things under control,they learn fast. I do believe Israel is rightfully upset with the US at the moment but I don't think they'll exact payback as much as They'll just not cede to US request to stand down this time.

    Turkey definitely is a wild card. Europe need ME oil way more than we do so maybe they will exert what little pull they have or throw out some more enticements in their zeal to get Turkey in to the EU .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    I think it is more of an issue of rattling the Market. If that is all that occurs, it would be short lived. If it was a real supply disruption on the level of 1973 or 1979, that might get brutal.
    I'll go with short lived.

    Iran's economy is in the crapper, The Mullahs are dissatisfied with Ahmadinejad , he may even be looking for a new job if a strike occurs.
    The 21st century. The age of Smart phones and Stupid people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    Wouldn't it also serve to give Obama's buddy Vladimir a heads up to exert some pressure on a former part of the USSR to get back in line?
    Possibly, but even if that's not the intent, it certainly would work out that way. The interesting thing is that Israel was one of the first countries to recognize the independence of Azerbaijan, and the Azeris have had mutual defense ties with Israel long before this. This is especially interesting in view of Azerbaijan being a Shia-majority state, but one whose religious identity has been suppressed due to the Soviet influence. The Russians haven't really tried to force them back into the fold, so the mullahs haven't had a chance to try to radicalize them, and Iran cannot support them against Russia, so they have nothing to lose by backing Israel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    I was addressing a specific; JB's $12 dollar a gallon scenario.
    Yes, and I was addressing your lack of concern for the human cost of the war. Apparently, Israeli casualties aren't on your radar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    I don't give a flying fuck what the Walrus has to say.
    I'm sure that you don't care about what the eggmen have to say either, but that doesn't address the content of the comment. It's pretty obvious that the State Department is the source of the leak, but since you won't acknowledge that, let's just say that hypothetically, if someone at Foggy Bottom decided to leak this in order to undermine the Israelis, or worse, to drive a wedge between the US and Israel (worse in the sense that it would be undermining the policies of his/her own country, the one for which that person actually works), wouldn't you like to see the leaker subjected to the full force of the anti-espionage act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    I think it is more of an issue of rattling the Market. If that is all that occurs, it would be short lived. If it was a real supply disruption on the level of 1973 or 1979, that might get brutal.
    It depends on how much damage is done. If no oil gets out through the Strait of Hormuz for an extended period, the oil shocks could be nasty. The best possible outcome for the US would be a decisive and effective Israeli strike that not only takes out the nuclear program, but also drives home to the Iranian people that the mullahs are leading them on a reckless course.

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    I'll go with short lived.

    Iran's economy is in the crapper, The Mullahs are dissatisfied with Ahmadinejad , he may even be looking for a new job if a strike occurs.
    Ahmedinejad recently had to justify himself to the Iranian parliament, and his responses made him sound like a school kid who was trying to negotiate a grade. It was pathetic, and if the video of that echange gets out, then the mullahs will have no trouble replacing him in the next elections. The real problem is that he was their handpicked candidate the last time around, and the next election will feature a new face, but not a change of direction or ideology. The Iranian people have two choices in leadership: Take it, or take it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Ahmedinejad recently had to justify himself to the Iranian parliament, and his responses made him sound like a school kid who was trying to negotiate a grade. It was pathetic, and if the video of that echange gets out, then the mullahs will have no trouble replacing him in the next elections. The real problem is that he was their handpicked candidate the last time around, and the next election will feature a new face, but not a change of direction or ideology. The Iranian people have two choices in leadership: Take it, or take it.
    I don't think the Mullahs are as bat shit crazy as they are portrayed. Ahmadinejad on the other had is so even the mullahs are worried. They both may want the same thing the Mullahs are willing to take it a little slower and under the radar so to speak. The Iranian people have been for years on the cusp of an Uprising they are just Leary of any US support because they got shafted once already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    I'll go with short lived.

    Iran's economy is in the crapper, The Mullahs are dissatisfied with Ahmadinejad , he may even be looking for a new job if a strike occurs.

    I'm not sure it will be a new job that Ahmadinejad will be looking for. I suspect that his body will be looking for his head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    I don't think the Mullahs are as bat shit crazy as they are portrayed. Ahmadinejad on the other had is so even the mullahs are worried. They both may want the same thing the Mullahs are willing to take it a little slower and under the radar so to speak. The Iranian people have been for years on the cusp of an Uprising they are just Leary of any US support because they got shafted once already.
    No, they really are crazy, they're just not idiots. Ahmedinejad turned on them, not the reverse. The mullahs are less popular than he is, which is why Ahmedinejad has been distancing himself from them by (among other things) arguing for softer treatment for young people (If he has his way, the number of lashes for an exposed ankle or stray lock of hair will be substantially reduced, which is reform, of a sort, I guess...). He's pandering to the mass of Iranians who hate the regime, and the mullahs are not amused. Ahmedinejad is an embarrassment to them now, but if he didn't share their ideological outlook, they'd never have allowed him to run for president, much less stolen the election for him.
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