Is This REALLY What You All Want?

[Odysseus]

A third party vote also helps in that that party may hit the magical number to ensure Federal dollars to the party for their next candidates go at the throne. One of the main things third party supporters piss and whine about when it is they who abandon their candidate at the ballot box because "They can't win". By rights the Libertarian party should have displaced the Democrat party by now in the so called "Two party system" .

Except that the Democrats like their party the way that it is. It provides them with big government. The Libertarians are far more likely to replace the Republican Party, but only if they can make peace with social conservatives. The last time that happened, it was called the Reagan coalition. This takes me back to my original argument, which is that the ideal Republican candidate is one that can make the moral case for fiscal responsibility, not just the fiscal case. That's why I favored Newt, but he's got about as much chance as a pork salesman in Saudi Arabia. Santorum is basically a moral scold who has never been that fiscally responsible, and Romney has been the classic liberal Republican governor of a liberal state. We're going to end up with a choice between Romney or Obama. Anything else is masturbatory fantasizing.

[Zeus]

Except that the Democrats like their party the way that it is. It provides them with big government. The Libertarians are far more likely to replace the Republican Party, but only if they can make peace with social conservatives. The last time that happened, it was called the Reagan coalition. This takes me back to my original argument, which is that the ideal Republican candidate is one that can make the moral case for fiscal responsibility, not just the fiscal case. That's why I favored Newt, but he's got about as much chance as a pork salesman in Saudi Arabia. Santorum is basically a moral scold who has never been that fiscally responsible, and Romney has been the classic liberal Republican governor of a liberal state. We're going to end up with a choice between Romney or Obama. Anything else is masturbatory fantasizing.

As stated elsewhere on the boards Romney actually accomplished a couple quite conservatives things while gov in a overwhelmingly liberal state. It should not come as a surprise that a republican Gov of a liberal state may come off as a liberal because of what they did or didn't do as Gov. A certain amount of cooperation with the opposition to blunt Liberalism is better than to let it run ramshode throughout the state and/or country at large. The legislation body has a lot to do/say how the executive body governs.

[Molon Labe]

George Carlin? Really?

Doesn't matter who said it if its the truth. Try to concentrate on what truth is instead of getting lost in the messenger. Authority is not truth. Truth is the authority.

[Gentleman Pirate]

Ah, this tired insult again? Hey, I wish I was dayting Meg Whitman but, alas, I'm not that lucky..

Uhhhh... Really? Yuck...

[Odysseus]

Doesn't matter who said it if its the truth. Try to concentrate on what truth is instead of getting lost in the messenger. Authority is not truth. Truth is the authority.

Did you read my entire comment, or did your eyes glaze over after the first sentence? I addressed the "truth" of that statement, which is that not voting doesn't give you any moral superiority. Here it is again, just so you don't miss it.

Stand up comedy is all well and good, but it isn't political science. If you vote for a third party, then, yes, you are guaranteeing yourself the right to whine with a clear conscience when nobody that you voted for gets into office, or even has a chance of getting in, but you are also ensuring that the person or party that you oppose the most has one less vote to counter, and if you are successful, by third party standards, then you siphon off enough votes from the lesser of the two evils to guarantee that the worst of the choices gets in. In other words, you help to guarantee the reelection of Obama. Carlin may joke about being free to whine about the failures of our government, but I prefer to try to staunch the tide of failure to the greatest extent possible.

That's the truth.

As stated elsewhere on the boards Romney actually accomplished a couple quite conservatives things while gov in a overwhelmingly liberal state. It should not come as a surprise that a republican Gov of a liberal state may come off as a liberal because of what they did or didn't do as Gov. A certain amount of cooperation with the opposition to blunt Liberalism is better than to let it run ramshode throughout the state and/or country at large. The legislation body has a lot to do/say how the executive body governs.

Yes, and a core of conservatives in the house and a Republican takeover of the senate will mitigate a lot of his more liberal instincts. Romney is far from perfect, but he's the better of the two choices that we face in November, and anyone who can't see that is delusional.

[Rockntractor]

Uhhhh... Really? Yuck...

At least she was born a female!

[Zathras]

Uhhhh... Really? Yuck...

Yeah...with the money she has I could live the life I want and never have to worry about money ever again.

And it's a lot better than the person DUmbass128 has the hots for....

[Zathras]

Yes, and a core of conservatives in the house and a Republican takeover of the senate will mitigate a lot of his more liberal instincts. Romney is far from perfect, but he's the better of the two choices that we face in November, and anyone who can't see that is delusional.

That explains why DUmbass128 is the way he is....either that or he's a democrat afraid for his fearless leader's future in the White House.

[Wei Wu Wei]

No, but this is what we DON'T want:

If Obama is a socialists, why are socialists constantly criticizing him and not voting for him?

Spoiler alert:


He's nothing of a socialist, not even close,.

[Wei Wu Wei]

The choices are either Romney or Obama. Adults deal with the choices that they are given. Be an adult and stop whining.

There is also the choice to not support either of them.

I can't stomach the idea of voting for Obama or Romney so neither of them will get my vote or support. I will not be coerced into supporting something I disagree with because of fear. If the power structure wants to force a false choice upon me, well they have the power to do that, but I will not dignify or validate their empty gesture.