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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Yes, but Mohammed created a religion in order to justify his political slaughter.
    I believe most of the Old Testament law came after Moses' massacre in Exodus 32.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    I believe most of the Old Testament law came after Moses' massacre in Exodus 32.
    What massacre would that be?

    31 So Moses went back to the LORD and said, “Oh, what a great sin these people have committed! They have made themselves gods of gold.

    32 But now, please forgive their sin—but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written.”

    33 The LORD replied to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book.

    34 Now go, lead the people to the place I spoke of, and my angel will go before you. However, when the time comes for me to punish, I will punish them for their sin.”

    35 And the LORD struck the people with a plague because of what they did with the calf Aaron had made.
    Moses asks for forgiveness for the sinners and begs God to put him in among those who are too be judged. It's God who sends a plague.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    What massacre would that be?

    31 So Moses went back to the LORD and said, “Oh, what a great sin these people have committed! They have made themselves gods of gold.

    32 But now, please forgive their sin—but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written.”

    33 The LORD replied to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book.

    34 Now go, lead the people to the place I spoke of, and my angel will go before you. However, when the time comes for me to punish, I will punish them for their sin.”

    35 And the LORD struck the people with a plague because of what they did with the calf Aaron had made.
    Moses asks for forgiveness for the sinners and begs God to put him in among those who are too be judged. It's God who sends a plague.

    Prior to that.


    27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’”

    28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    Religious figures are a dicey proposition. Religious slaughter is easy to find.
    Can you name all of the slaughters Jesus led? Didnt think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmPat View Post
    He's a lying sack of crap, but then again, I could have just said he's a liberal. Nobody is going into China and "Asking a couple hundred Chinese their opinion of Mao." Just another lying liberal making up his "facts" to support his idiocy.
    You need to get your facts straight, buddy. He didn't say he aked a couple hundred people. He said a couple of hundreds of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Yes, but Mohammed created a religion in order to justify his political slaughter.
    Do you have a good history on this?

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    Prior to that.


    27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’”

    28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.
    You missed a bit. Here is the whole passage:

    19 When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands, breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain.

    20 And he took the calf the people had made and burned it in the fire; then he ground it to powder, scattered it on the water and made the Israelites drink it.

    21 He said to Aaron, “What did these people do to you, that you led them into such great sin?”

    22 “Do not be angry, my lord,” Aaron answered. “You know how prone these people are to evil.

    23 They said to me, ‘Make us gods who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don’t know what has happened to him.’

    24 So I told them, ‘Whoever has any gold jewelry, take it off.’ Then they gave me the gold, and I threw it into the fire, and out came this calf!”

    25 Moses saw that the people were running wild and that Aaron had let them get out of control and so become a laughingstock to their enemies.

    26 So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the LORD, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.

    27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’”

    28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.

    29 Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”

    30 The next day Moses said to the people, “You have committed a great sin. But now I will go up to the LORD; perhaps I can make atonement for your sin.”
    Moses was putting down a rebellion. It wasn't simply an indiscriminate slaughter. That doesn't compare with Mohammed's reign of terror against the people of Medina and Mecca.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    You missed a bit. Here is the whole passage:

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    I made this point in another thread. Liberals like to cherry pick what they want from the Bible then twist that to their own ends. They like to do this wit the Constitution as well. They cherry pick what they want but ignore the entire Amendment or passage. Bravo for exposing yo yo on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    You missed a bit. Here is the whole passage:
    I have read the whole book a couple of times.

    Moses was putting down a rebellion. It wasn't simply an indiscriminate slaughter. That doesn't compare with Mohammed's reign of terror against the people of Medina and Mecca.
    I was not comparing it (I have not read the Koran so I will take you word for it for now) and I am sure it is easy to rationalize actions taken by religious leaders you approve of (I haven't even gotten into other violent actions taken). Even so, putting down a rebellion is a political act.
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