Backdoor Amnesty?

[Rockntractor]

Lot of people feel that way but that's not going to happen.

The boarders need to be sealed,some type of conditional dispensation has to be arrived at concerning current illegals. what that conditional dispensation is debatable. 2005 estimates but the number of illegals in the USA at 18 - 20 million that's a lot of people to round up, detain & deport.

20 million jobs that belong to US citizens.

[Novaheart]

Lot of people feel that way but that's not going to happen.

The boarders need to be sealed,some type of conditional dispensation has to be arrived at concerning current illegals. what that conditional dispensation is debatable. 2005 estimates but the number of illegals in the USA at 18 - 20 million that's a lot of people to round up, detain & deport.

If we allow the 12 million illegals currently in this country to remain, they will in a matter of about 36 years be able to vote down the border on the basis of their own increase plus the ones already here from the Reagan amnesty.

[Novaheart]

18 - 20 million that's a lot of people to round up, detain & deport.

It can be done.

Punish employers.
Punish landlords.
Punish "sanctuary cities"
Threaten the United Church of Christ and anyone else who harbors illegals.
Take down those god damned Spanish language signs.

Pass a law that says that any amnesty legislation or action by the executive branch must be coupled with a 100% elimination of welfare benefits. Make it very clear to the American people that a safety net is not possible as long as illegals are here, as long as the border is not secure, as long as we have foreigners sponsoring and importing "family" members at will.

[m00]

Lot of people feel that way but that's not going to happen.

The boarders need to be sealed,some type of conditional dispensation has to be arrived at concerning current illegals. what that conditional dispensation is debatable. 2005 estimates but the number of illegals in the USA at 18 - 20 million that's a lot of people to round up, detain & deport.

I concur with you on this.

So first of all, the entire discussion of deportation is entirely moot until the borders are secured. I don't even think it's worth having the conversation, illegal aliens are entering the country far faster than we could ever deport them even with ideal laws in place.

Second of all, think about all the steps & government employees involved in deporting an illegal. You have to find him, identify him & make sure he's an illegal, transport him to some holding facility, arrange transport across the border, and then have the transportation available and coordinate with where you are dropping him off. Deporting 18-20 million people implies a massive expansion of the US government. The logistics are next to impossible... worth pointing out that Nazi Germany couldn't even deport 6 million jews (the death camps were the final solution because deportation wasn't economically viable).

Lets say for sake of argument that from start to finish, when you add up ALL the associated costs, deporting a person from start to finish costs a thousand dollars. And I think that's on the cheap side, and the actual cost would be higher. Deporting 20 million people would then cost greater than 20 Billion and also expand the federal government. As much as I wish I could wave a magic wand and make the illegals teleport back to their country of origin, I don't think it's feasible to send them all home in reality.

[Novaheart]

Second of all, think about all the steps & government employees involved in deporting an illegal. You have to find him, identify him & make sure he's an illegal, transport him to some holding facility, arrange transport across the border, and then have the transportation available and coordinate with where you are dropping him off. Deporting 18-20 million people implies a massive expansion of the US government. The logistics are next to impossible... worth pointing out that Nazi Germany couldn't even deport 6 million jews (the death camps were the final solution because deportation wasn't economically viable). .

I frankly get tired of people saying it can't be done when we haven't even tried. Not under Reagan, Clinton, Bush, or Obama or anyone after Eisenhower. We did deport large numbers of people after WWII in Operation Wetback.

WIKI:

History

Burgeoning numbers of Mexican migrants prompted President Dwight D. Eisenhower to appoint General Joseph Swing as INS Commissioner. According to Attorney General Herbert Brownell, Jr., Eisenhower had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration upon taking office. In a letter to Senator J. William Fulbright, Eisenhower quoted a report in The New York Times that said, "The rise in illegal border-crossing by Mexican 'wetbacks' to a current rate of more than 1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal Government."[2]

[edit]Operation Wetback in action

The effort began in California and Arizona in 1954 and coordinated 1,075 Border Patrol agents, along with state and local police agencies. Tactics employed included going house to house in Mexican-American neighborhoods and citizenship checks during standard traffic stops.

Some 750 agents targeted agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions per day. By the end of July, over 50,000 illegal aliens were caught in the two states. An estimated 488,000 illegal aliens are believed to have left voluntarily, for fear of being apprehended. By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and the INS estimated that 500,000 to 700,000 had left Texas of their own accord. To discourage illicit re-entry, buses and trains took many deportees deep within Mexican territory before releasing them.

Tens of thousands more were deported by two chartered ships: the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried them from Port Isabel, Texas, to Veracruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles (800 km) to the south. Some were taken as far as 1,000 miles (1,600 km). Deportation by sea was ended after seven deportees jumped overboard from the Mercurio and drowned, provoking a mutiny that led to a public outcry in Mexico.[

[Gentleman Pirate]

I bet certain rump rangers perked up when they read that title :D

Including Rock, TXradioguy and Mau10man...

no homo.....

[Zeus]

Mass deportation as much as some would like is just not feasible outside of a massive increase in govt and financial deficits. Secure the borders and as unpopular as it is some form of amnesty / trail to citizenship will have to be done. Restrictive citizenship of some sort that doesn't end up being a burden on the rest of society.

enough with the shoulda' , coulda' , woulda' , the problem is no longer in the past it is in the here & now and future.

I don't think the country as a whole would back mass deportations even if it was logistically & financially possible. The political will isn't in our governing bodies either.

[Novaheart]

Mass deportation as much as some would like is just not feasible outside of a massive increase in govt and financial deficits. Secure the borders and as unpopular as it is some form of amnesty / trail to citizenship will have to be done. Restrictive citizenship of some sort that doesn't end up being a burden on the rest of society.

enough with the shoulda' , coulda' , woulda' , the problem is no longer in the past it is in the here & now and future.

I don't think the country as a whole would back mass deportations even if it was logistically & financially possible. The political will isn't in our governing bodies either.

Each illegal alien has the potential to have two or more children. Each one of those children will cost the American taxpayer $9,000 to $16,000 for an uncomplicated delivery, and then about $12,000 a year in public education for 12 years. So a heterosexual illegal alien couple, even if they obey the law in every other way, have the potential to cost the US some $624,000. I think we can deport them for a lot less than that.

[Novaheart]

I bet certain rump rangers perked up when they read that title :D

Which grade of junior high school are you permanently stuck in?

[Elspeth]

It can be done.

Pass a law that says that any amnesty legislation or action by the executive branch must be coupled with a 100% elimination of welfare benefits. Make it very clear to the American people that a safety net is not possible as long as illegals are here, as long as the border is not secure, as long as we have foreigners sponsoring and importing "family" members at will.

That might do it.

Californians would be grateful. Our middle class is overwhelmed.