FFS! Gay Pride Comes to Afghanistan Base

[Rockntractor]

You ever read this book?

http://www.amazon.com/Religion-Gone-.../dp/B000NBKJ4S

Because i have a copy of it,and will probably do a review of the book when i'm finished with the book.

About the author

Mel White is a writer, filmmaker, and former ghostwriter of books, authobiographies, and speeches for Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Jim Bakker, and Oliver North. He is the author of such inspirational bestsellers as In the Presence of Mine Enemies and Tested by Fire. Presently, Dr. White serves as the National Minister of Justice for the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches from his position as Dean of Dallas's Cathedral of Hope (M.C.C.), the largest gay and lesbian church in the world. He and his partner, Gary Nixon, live in Dallas, Texas.

A leader of that old time religion.

[hai]

About the author

A leader of that old time religion.

Dude,what?

[Zathras]

You ever read this book?

http://www.amazon.com/Religion-Gone-.../dp/B000NBKJ4S

Sorry, don't read obviously biased material.

Because i have a copy of it,and will probably do a review of the book when i'm finished with the book.

Ooooh, a book report....I can't wait. Oh wait, yes we can because we already know what you're going to say. The book will be all about bashing Christians and just how bad Christianity is, all from a anti religious point of view.

[Odysseus]

Honey, you simply don't have the intelligence, education, or experience to back me into a corner on these issues. I have been at it a lot longer than you have. That I pick and choose what to respond to is simply a matter of whim, and the degree of effort I am willing to go to to dumb this stuff down for you. So here it is once again, in simplest form: Gay people have won the battle to serve and will soon win the battle on benefits. Your opinion of that is completely irrelevant and there isn't a damned thing that you can do about it. Have a good night.

Well, the good news is that you have a strong, healthy ego. The bad news is that it has no basis in reality. Failing to respond to numerous arguments against gays in the military, and then claiming that one argument is the sole case is dishonest and weak. Just because you decline to answer an argument doesn't mean that it is invalid, it just means that you are unable to do so. Since you are perfectly capable of writing long responses when you think that you have an answer, the obvious implication is that you don't have answers, hence your resorting to the ad hominem attacks. The only accurate in your posts is that Obama has imposed the policy, and there's nothing that I can do about it except comply, which I am doing. But that doesn't make the policy beneficial, and when the effects of the change begin to filter out, as they will, then things may change back. Until then, I will do my duty and document what I see, so that when the time comes, I can present the evidence that you refuse to see.

Translation: I pwn3d you on that.

You have never pwn3d anyone on this site. Ever. Seriously.

[Apache]

You ever read this book?

http://www.amazon.com/Religion-Gone-.../dp/B000NBKJ4S

Because i have a copy of it,and will probably do a review of the book when i'm finished with the book.

hai, you're a moron! got it? moron! you are a self-absorbed, lazy, ignorant piece of me first.... you think that a queer bag pastor is teaching the Word of God? you're deluded! the Bible SPECIFICALLY states that homosexuality is a sin. your fag pastor can't change that... sad but true. trying to change the Lord to suit your wants is impossible. he created you, not the other way around...


btw, that childish swipe at my avatar... take a closer look you near-sighted chump

[hai]

hai, you're a moron! got it? moron! you are a self-absorbed, lazy, ignorant piece of me first.... you think that a queer bag pastor is teaching the Word of God? you're deluded! the Bible SPECIFICALLY states that homosexuality is a sin. your fag pastor can't change that... sad but true. trying to change the Lord to suit your wants is impossible. he created you, not the other way around...


btw, that childish swipe at my avatar... take a closer look you near-sighted chump

I'm very sorry,i must have a misprint in my bible,It doesn't say "For God so loved the world,that he sent his only begotten son,that whosoever believes in him shalt not perish"except gays and lesbians" but shall have everlasting life"

There are also many studies that state that the sin of Sodom was actually Inhospitality.

[Apache]

I'm very sorry,i must have a misprint in my bible,It doesn't say "For God so loved the world,that he sent his only begotten son,that whosoever believes in him shalt not perish"except gays and lesbians" but shall have everlasting life"

There are also many studies that state that the sin of Sodom was actually Inhospitality.

you really want to go there?

fine, i'll play...

1 Corinthians 6:9

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,

Romans 1:26-27

26 For this reason God gave them up to o vile passions. For even their 1 women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the 2 men, leaving the natural use of the 3 woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due

Leviticus 20:13
Punishments for Sexual Immorality
13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Genesis chapter 19 records the two angels, disguised as human men, visiting Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'" The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver. Lot and his family flee the city, and then "the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah — from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities..."

In light of the passage, the most common response to the question "What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?" is that it was homosexuality. That is how the term "sodomy" came to be used to refer to anal sex between two men, whether consensual or forced. Clearly, homosexuality was part of why God destroyed the two cities. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to perform homosexual gang rape on the two angels (who were disguised as men). At the same time, it is not biblical to say that homosexuality was the exclusive reason why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were definitely not exclusive in terms of the sins in which they indulged.

wanna try and peddle some more of your 'feel good' bullshit, cupcake?

your cherry-picking bastardization of John 3:16 was poorly thought out, at best. a self-serving twisting of the scriptures at worst. stop trying to justify what is unjustifiable...

[hai]

you really want to go there?

fine, i'll play...


wanna try and peddle some more of your 'feel good' bullshit, cupcake?

your cherry-picking bastardization of John 3:16 was poorly thought out, at best. a self-serving twisting of the scriptures at worst. stop trying to justify what is unjustifiable...

Inhospitality is always the reason cited in scripture for the destruction of Sodom. Homosexuality is never cited in scripture as the reason God destroyed Sodom. If we ignore the clear Biblical teaching on this issue, we are rejecting God's truth and embracing false teaching. Do you love God's truth enough to stand up against error?

A camel train was a common
method of travel in Bible times.

If they agree on nothing else, many fundamentalists, Catholics and Evangelicals believe homosexuality caused God to destroy Sodom. Yet when asked to cite scripture which clearly states that homosexuality was the sin of Sodom, they are unable to do so.

Perhaps that is because lack of hospitality, among other sins, provides a far better answer to the question than homosexuality. It is difficult for modern Christians in an entirely different cultural setting, to grasp the importance of hospitality in Biblical times.


What does the Bible say about
hospitality and lack of hospitality?

After traveling all day, a Bedouin tent
was a welcome place of refuge.

Hospitality in ancient near Eastern culture was far more important than in modern western culture. Travel through an often desolate wilderness was a tiresome process. Inns and safe places to spend the night were few and far between. Therefore travelers tended to stop and spend the night with whoever was friendly enough to offer shelter.

Imagine yourself riding a camel through dry dusty country day after day and you begin to appreciate the importance of hospitality in ancient times. Making weary travelers welcome for an overnight stay was common in the ancient near east. Hosts welcomed travelers passing through, expecting the same hospitality would be returned to them in their travels.

Desolate wilderness of Israel

In the Sodom story, Genesis 19, Lot is responsible for the safety of his angel visitors and all their needs as long as they are under his roof. Travelers in ancient times depended on the hospitality of strangers for their lives and safety.

Was Inhospitality The Sin Of Sodom?

1. The Testimony of Lot, an eyewitness


Lot and his daughters




After the men of Sodom gather at Lot’s door and demand, “Bring the men out unto us that we may know them,” Lot steps outside, shuts the door to protect his guests and tries to reason with their would-be rapists. Lot, the main participant and an eyewitness to the incident, cites hospitality as the primary reason the men of Sodom should not rape his visitors:

“for therefore [for hospitality] came they
under the shadow of my roof” -Gen 19:8.

Lot’s appeal to the men of Sodom not to breach the hospitality ethic carries evidentiary weight for anyone who believes the Bible. For Lot, an active participant in this drama, inhospitality by the men of Sodom was a major factor in the Sodom story.

Anti-gay Christians claim that committed same sex relationships transgress the male-female complemen- tarity which God built into humans at creation. Lot apparently didn't get that memo because he never argues: "Don’t rape these men because that would transgress male-female complementarity."

2. The Testimony of Jewish Law


A flock
of goats
in Israel




Genesis 13:8 tells us that the herds of Abraham and Lot were so large the men agreed to separate their camps, in order to have enough room to graze. Lot pitched his tent toward Sodom. The pagan influence of the people of Sodom eventually caused Lot to lose his family.

Scripture demonstrates extraordinary concern for the welfare of strangers. God carefully instructs His people that strangers must be treated with hospitality, justice and righteousness. Emphasis on hospitality, being scrupulously careful not to practice inhospitality, permeates Jewish law.

God contrasts the hospitality of Abraham with the inhospitality of the men of Sodom, Genesis 18-19.

God commands the Jews not to treat strangers with inhospitality.

“Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.” -Exodus 22:21.

God grounds the hospitality ethic
in Israel’s personal history
As strangers in Egypt, they experienced the soul- rending inhospitality of people who despised them. They knew how it felt to be abused and mistreated. Therefore, God commands them not to abuse and mistreat strangers in their midst. This is the Golden Rule in the Old Testament. "Treat others as you would like to be treated."


Rugged Judean Canyon




God's next command against inhospitality is aimed at Israel’s heart.

“Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.” Exodus 23:9.

God next commands Israel to love strangers. The Greek word philoxenia, translated "hospitality" in the New Testament, means "loving strangers."

God instructs Israel that it is not enough to simply treat strangers with hospitality. The children of Israel must "love strangers" as they love their neighbors.

“Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD.” -Leviticus 19:18.

“But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am the LORD your God.” -Leviticus 19:34.

3. The Testimony of Ezekiel About Sodom's Sin

The prophet Ezekiel, writing under inspiration of God, precisely describes the sin of Sodom, listing six huge transgressions committed by the people of Sodom. Don't you find it interesting that homosexuality is not among these sins but inhospitality definitely is? Do you believe what the Bible says in context or will you reject what the Holy Spirit is showing you?

“As I live, saith the LORD GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters. Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom,

pride,

fulness of bread, and

abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters,

[Inhospitality] neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were

haughty, and

committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.” -Ezekiel 16:48-50



Ezekiel is crystal clear about the sin of Sodom.



Had God intended us to believe that the sin of Sodom was homosexuality, God would have said so in clear and unmistakable language. Yet He did not. Instead, God points out, in clear and unmistakable language, that Inhospitality is the sin of Sodom. Do you agree with God and His prophet Ezekiel about the sin of Sodom?

The abomination Ezekiel refers to in Genesis 19 was an attempted gang rape of angels. The vicious behavior of the men of Sodom violated the hospitality ethic. Genesis 19 is not about a loving committed relationship between two men or two women.

[Rockntractor]

How do you explain this away Hai?

New Testament
Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, but He did condemn all forms of sexual immorality:

What comes out of you is what defiles you. For from within, out of your hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile you. (TNIV, Mark 7:20-23)

The apostle Paul, in one of his letters to the Corinthians, wrote the verses most often quoted on this subject:

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NIV, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11)

This verse has been translated in as many different ways as there are different versions of the Bible, so we have to look at the original Greek to see what Paul was really saying. According to Thayer's Greek Lexicon, the word translated here as "male prostitute" is the Greek word malakos which literally means "soft to the touch." However, it was used metaphorically in a negative way to refer to a catamite (a boy kept for sexual relations with a man) or to a male prostitute in general. The word translated here as "homosexual offender" is the Greek word arsenokoites which means a sodomite, a person who engages in any kind of unnatural sex, but especially homosexual intercourse. Some believe this use of arsenokoites referred specifically to the men who kept catamites, but that is not certain.

There are two other New Testament mentions of homosexual acts, in Romans 1:25-27 and 1 Timothy 1:8-10. In this passage from Romans, again in the context of idolatry, Paul mentions women who "exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones," which might apply to lesbian acts:

http://www.twopaths.com/faq_homosexuality.htm

[hai]

How do you explain this away Hai?

http://www.twopaths.com/faq_homosexuality.htm

http://www.dignityusa.org/faq.html

http://www.soulforce.org/resources/w...homosexuality/