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    Quote Originally Posted by marinejcksn View Post
    So far, with all due respect, the most I've heard is I HAVE to vote for the Giant Douche over the Turd Sandwich because if I don't....AMERICA WONT SURVIVE ANOTHER FOUR YEARS! At least that's the line the toe sucker Dick Morris is peddling.

    Am I the only person insulted by this absurd line of idiotic thinking? This country has survived:

    The Revolutionary War, The Constitutional Convention, A President (Jackson) who basically told the Supreme Court to suck it, The Civil War, A Partially-Fascist President (Wilson), World War I, The Great Depression, World War II, Recessions, Stock Market Crashes, Presidential Assassinations and the bailout of some of the most corrupt organizations on the Planet.

    Are we really supposed to have so little faith in our fellow man to believe that if Obama squeaks through again that the country will crumble like the Roman Empire?

    Am I missing something here?


    With a large amount of due respect, you ARE overlooking at least one thing here, and that is the courts. One of the most insidious ways the left has pushed it's agenda is by placing extreme leftists on the bench.

    Last election, we had the chance to undo MASSIVE damage to liberty and freedom that the Supreme Court has inflicted on our nation, but instead we got Sotomayor and Kagen. Now instead of having NO QUESTION that the Supreme court will turn down Obama care, and uphold 2nd amendment rights, we now have a SERIOUS threat that our freedoms - especially on these issues will be infringed.

    This election, the consequences are MUCH worse, because instead of replacing two liberal justices with two more liberal justices, we are likely to be replacing at least one of the conservative justices.

    So instead of having a 4-4 split with Justice Kennedy siding often with the liberals, there will be a 5-3 split and even if Kennedy votes like the Constitution would require, it won't matter.

    Unlike a President who we get to throw out in 4 years, Supreme Court justices are appointed for LIFE - and in case you hadn't noticed, Obama has not only been appointing RADICAL anti-Constitution justices, he has been appointing YOUNG justices who are likely to still be on the court 25 -30 years from now.

    A TON of damage can be done in that time period.

    If you look back, you will see that I was an EARLY supporter of Santorum - I think the ONLY one on this board - but we cannot be purists in this case - the consequences are just too high - and yes our nations very existence as a free nation might well be at stake.
    I long for the days when our President actually liked our country.
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    I am also considering voting third party, instead of sitting out.
    Same difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    Hey...I hope I'm wrong Rock....but let me make sure I undestand this correctly

    The GOP nominated McCain in 08........who beat Romney solidly..............Then McCain got trounced by Barry.


    And now the GOP thinks it should nominate the loser in 08' Romney........Because they think he can beat Obama?


    The GOP is changing - the conservatives ARE taking control back. Just look at all of the incumbents we have thrown out - in 2010 and now we are cleansing our ranks by getting rid of Lugar and liberals like him.

    Sure the leadership is still in place, but they are getting old - and many of them are now gone and being replaced with the tea party type candidates. Changing a party's direction takes time and patience - soon people like Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, and Jim DeMint will be in control, and if we keep working MORE conservative (both in quantity and quality) will follow.
    I long for the days when our President actually liked our country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutionally Speaking View Post
    Changing a party's direction takes time and patience - soon people like Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, and Jim DeMint will be in control, and if we keep working MORE conservative (both in quantity and quality) will follow.
    I completely agree with that CS. You are one of the better voices of reason here and I respect that.
    It is true that things are changing and that many of the local GOP leaders are in trouble. But this is the last hurrah for me in the GOP. I've been doing it too long and watching the crap build since 2000. But if this is all a facade and things go back to business as usual instead of completely slamming on the brakes and completely reversing the size and scope of the Federal government, then I don't expect the GOP will be a home to conservatives like me anymore and I will be an independant conservative by 2016. I'm pretty much that already, but decided to give it one last shot. The part that concerns me is that Romney is the polar opposite of EVERYTHING conservatism stands for.

    Let me make this crystal clear. I am very active in my local areas GOP. I am also slated to be a delegate at the state convention, which nominates the national delegates. I was also one in 08'. The vote one has as a delegate is infinately more important than one has as a general election voter in November. Which is oversold every election as the only hope one has at defeating the evil one...whether that be Gore, Kerry or now Obama

    So when I say it is OK to sit out the November election, and that it doesn't matter, it's because I am supremely confidant that the work you do up until the nomination is what really matters to effect real change. Once the two candidates are chosen at the national level, they represent establishment preference and actually represent little differences.
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    Which is why i also am supremely disappointed - Romney was amongst my LAST choice of those who ran. But even as much as I am disheartened that we could not get a real conservative nominated this time, I absolutely am going to urge everyone to vote for him.

    People keep underestimating the damage that just four years can do. The Supreme court is just the most visible area where the damage is long term and potentially irreversible. All of the lower courts and agencies are currently being filled with RADICAL anti-Americans and Radical socialists. These people transcend administrations and we CAN'T allow any more to be put in place.

    Look at the damage we are STILL undergoing from the disastrous Carter administration - a VERY large part of the problems we have in the Middle East are due to things he did way back then. Without Carter, there are far fewer and far more timid terrorist groups to worry about. There would be NO Iran threatening to go nuclear, and they would not be funding the terrorist groups. Probably no need for the gulf war at all.

    Look at the damage Clinton did with the Chinese and giving them satellite technologies and what they did with North Korea by giving them Nuclear technology. Those are future wars just waiting to break out - all because of actions taken by liberals in the past.

    With Obama, we have someone that is literally FUNDING our enemies in Egypt - AND appointing Muslim brotherhood members/sympathizers to office HERE.

    We simply cannot let this President have another term.

    I will repeat - and I know it seems like this is a repeat from last election - because it is : We simply CANNOT stay home and not vote for the Republican Candidate - there ARE differences. Certainly not as stark of a difference as I would want, but at least the Republican candidates are not going to appoint justices like Kagan and Sotomayor. They CERTAINLY are not going to appoint people like Perez or Holder in the Justice Dept. and they absolutely at least still love this country and can be influenced by people like you and I.

    You cannot say those things about Obama.
    I long for the days when our President actually liked our country.
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