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    Gay marriage is up for a vote in our state this May. An amendment to the state constitution that defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman. Simple enough.

    Signs are popping up in support and opposition of the amendment. Most of the support signs say "Marriage - One Man One Woman - Vote Yes on Amendment One"

    The signs against say "Vote against Amendment One".

    Why can't the left just say what it means?

    Why not signs that say "Bone Smugglers should be able to marry too" or "Let Lezzies Live in Matrimony"?

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    I already turned in my ballot for May 8. I don't look into all the political games of the issue. I just ask myself a couple simple questions:

    Does it affect me if two men and women marry? No
    Is it equal treatment if two men and women who love each other are not allowed to get married? No


    I just look at it in black and white. I understand I will be in the minority on here, if not, the only one, and fully expect to catch hell. With that said, I will reiterate: It does not make my day any better or worse if two men are allowed to marry each other. I just don't understand the hysteria around it. I accept and respect anyone's religious beliefs and those inherent reasons for it, I just ask for someone to create an argument based on legal reasons, not religious beliefs. To each their own. I just want everyone to have the same opportunities as I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Generation Why? View Post
    ................. I just want everyone to have the same opportunities as I do.
    They already do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Generation Why? View Post
    I already turned in my ballot for May 8. I don't look into all the political games of the issue. I just ask myself a couple simple questions:

    Does it affect me if two men and women marry? No
    Is it equal treatment if two men and women who love each other are not allowed to get married? No


    I just look at it in black and white. I understand I will be in the minority on here, if not, the only one, and fully expect to catch hell. With that said, I will reiterate: It does not make my day any better or worse if two men are allowed to marry each other. I just don't understand the hysteria around it. I accept and respect anyone's religious beliefs and those inherent reasons for it, I just ask for someone to create an argument based on legal reasons, not religious beliefs. To each their own. I just want everyone to have the same opportunities as I do.
    The question asked in the OP was why can't they be honest about it on their campaign signs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Generation Why? View Post
    I already turned in my ballot for May 8. I don't look into all the political games of the issue. I just ask myself a couple simple questions:

    Does it affect me if two men and women marry? No
    Is it equal treatment if two men and women who love each other are not allowed to get married? No


    I just look at it in black and white. I understand I will be in the minority on here, if not, the only one, and fully expect to catch hell. With that said, I will reiterate: It does not make my day any better or worse if two men are allowed to marry each other. I just don't understand the hysteria around it. I accept and respect anyone's religious beliefs and those inherent reasons for it, I just ask for someone to create an argument based on legal reasons, not religious beliefs. To each their own. I just want everyone to have the same opportunities as I do.
    Because it's legal, doesn't make it moral or right. Just because it doesn't affect you personally, doesn't mean it doesn't affect society as a whole. Part of the problem America has now, is the "ME" mentality...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache View Post
    Because it's legal, doesn't make it moral or right. Just because it doesn't affect you personally, doesn't mean it doesn't affect society as a whole. Part of the problem America has now, is the "ME" mentality...
    Because it is in scripture doesn't make it moral or right, either. That is my point. And to comment about the Left's signs and what not: I don't know, I stopped trying to figure them out a long time ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Generation Why? View Post
    Because it is in scripture doesn't make it moral or right, either. ...
    The "scripture", as you put it, IS both moral and right...Try reading the Bible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache View Post
    The "scripture", as you put it, IS both moral and right...Try reading the Bible.
    Oh I have read the bible. You must have read something else.
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    The "scripture", as you put it, IS both moral and right...Try reading the Bible.
    Good idea. Let's see what Jesus has to say about marriage.

    http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/divorce.html

    In Luke 16:18 Jesus says:
    Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.
    2) Mark also records Jesus thoughts on the issue, Mark 10:2-12:
    2 And Pharisees came up and in order to test him asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?" 3 He answered them, "What did Moses command you?" 4 They said, "Moses allowed a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to put her away." 5 But Jesus said to them, "For your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. 6 But from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.' 7 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 8 and the two shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh. 9 What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder." 10 And in the house the disciples asked him again about this matter. 11 And he said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another, commits adultery against her; 12 and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery."
    Is anybody here divorced or remarried? If so, then where do you (generic you) get off judging gay people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache View Post
    Because it's legal, doesn't make it moral or right. Just because it doesn't affect you personally, doesn't mean it doesn't affect society as a whole. Part of the problem America has now, is the "ME" mentality...
    If Amendment One does not get passed, gay marriage will still be illegal. After pushing for an amendment against gay marriage being allowed, I highly doubt the state will try to pass any laws or amendments allowing it. So, gay marriage is not a "threat" here unless the federal government steps in.

    If Amendment One does pass, it's going to hurt a lot more people than just homosexuals. It will hurt heterosexuals too. Are people willing to live with those consequences?

    Also want to stress that you don't have to accept homosexuality just because gay marriage is legal. Imagine if divorce and remarriage became illegal because the Catholic Church didn't approve of it. You can still have your exclusive meetings, clubs, contracts, or whatever.
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