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    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1066053

    Disturbing new footage, aired on PBS, appearing to show federal agents beating and Tasering a handcuffed illegal immigrant hours before his death sheds new light on a case that has drawn scrutiny on the U.S. border patrol.

    The case of Anastacio Hernandez Rojas gained national media attention in 2010 after he died following a confrontation with border patrol agents who were trying to deport him.

    Rojas, 42, and his brother were caught on May 28 sneaking from Mexico into San Diego, where he lived for more than a decade.

    Rojas' family said the new videos support their claim that the agents used excessive force on him during the arrest.

    The videos were aired in a PBS report called “Need to Know” on Friday.

    One clip appeared to show nearly a dozen agents hitting Rojas, then repeatedly shocking him with a stun gun as he lay handcuffed on the ground at a border crossing in San Ysidro, in San Diego County.

    Seattle resident Ashley Young, who said she shot the video from a nearby footbridge, told PBS she didn't see Rojas resisting and felt like she was watching "someone be murdered."


    "It has been two years since Anastacio was killed, and the medical examiner ruled it a homicide, and we are still fighting to get simple discovery," the family's attorney Eugene Iredale told Reuters.

    "They applied 3,000 volts of electricity over and over to a helpless, handcuffed man and left him hogtied until he was brain-dead," he said.




    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...83K02C20120421

    In a grainy video clip shot in May 2010 on the California side of the U.S.-Mexico border, an illegal immigrant lies on the ground in a fetal position, circled by at least a dozen federal agents as one repeatedly shocks him with an electric stun gun.

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    The lawsuit, filed in January 2011, disputes federal authorities' assertions that he became combative, saying instead that Hernandez-Rojas became the victim of abuse when he asked to see an immigration judge. A border agent responded by slamming him against a wall and kicking him so hard in the ankles that it reopened a surgical wound in his lower leg.

    Hernandez-Rojas was then driven to a border crossing at San Ysidro to be summarily deported, and was assaulted by a group of agents there when he again demanded medical attention and a hearing before a judge, the complaint says.

    Shoved to the ground while handcuffed, Hernandez-Rojas was set upon by several agents who repeatedly punched, kicked and stomped on his head and body, then stood back as one officer administered a series of five electric shocks to him with a Taser, according to the lawsuit.

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    According to the complaint, agents then beat Hernandez-Rojas more and used plastic zip-ties to strap his ankles to his wrists, leaving him in that hog-tied position as he stopped breathing. He was resuscitated but died later at a hospital without ever regaining consciousness, the suit says.

    San Diego Police Department investigators and the county medical examiner both ruled the death a homicide, according to the complaint, which names 12 federal agents and the government as defendants.

    But the U.S. attorney overseeing the case cited a coroner's finding of methamphetamine in Hernandez-Rojas' body and said the agents' action was appropriate in responding to "assaultive, violent and out-of-control conduct" by Hernandez-Rojas.

    The previously undisclosed footage, obtained by a lawyer for the man's family in a wrongful-death suit brought against the U.S. government, appears in a Public Broadcasting Service television documentary set to air nationally on Friday night.




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    The police investigation and the medical examiner cited this as a homicide. However, it's been pointed that drugs were found in his system.

    Did having drugs in his system (how much, or whether they were even still active has not been released) justify this use of force that led to his death?

    They claim that he was combative, and the police tazing him repeatedly screams "STOP RESISTING" as he tazes him multiple times. However, from the video taken, you can see that Rojas was on the ground handcuffed.

    When you have a dozen police officers surrounding a handcuffed man on the ground, does the handcuffed man pose so much of a threat that this much force needs to be used?

    What seems frightening from the claim that he was being combative, and the officer screaming "stop resisting" as he shocked the man to death, all the while seeing that the man is on the ground surrounded by trained professionals. If laying on the ground handcuffed and squirming/yelling is grounds for this level of force, we have a problem. It seems as if police know that they have a free card to use any level of force, up to and including killing someone, if they "feel they are in danger" or if the subject is "resisting". Can a police officer simply yell "stop resisting!" and kill a person, when all the person is doing is squirming on the ground? It seems so...
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    He shouldn't have tried to enter this country, if this happened more people probably wouldn't risk coming here. You know the old saying, you have to break eggs to make an omelet.
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    If he had drugs in his system chances are he wasn't compliant, even in cuffs hence the "stop resisting" comment. Just because you are cuffed, doesn't mean you are no longer a threat. In case you think I'm making this up, even in prison, I saw an inmate who was shackled complete with the black box kick someone in the face. In this video, you can see this guy won't stay down and is seen kicking. He's not being compliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    If he had drugs in his system chances are he wasn't compliant, even in cuffs hence the "stop resisting" comment. Just because you are cuffed, doesn't mean you are no longer a threat. In case you think I'm making this up, even in prison, I saw an inmate who was shackled complete with the black box kick someone in the face. In this video, you can see this guy won't stay down and is seen kicking. He's not being compliant.
    He isn't just cuffed, he is on the ground. The man doesn't get up off the ground in the video. He is handcuffed and laying on the ground surrounded by a dozen police officers. How much of a threat is he there?

    What is wrong with the police force where anything other than total limp passivity is met with lethal or near-lethal force? Tell me something, and be totally honest with yourself. If you are handcuffed and laying on the ground, while a group of men beat you and taze you, would you personally even be able to lay perfectly still?

    Not being compliant is something to take into account, but beating, tazing, and killing the man is in no way an appropriate response to squirming on the ground. Especially when the police have well over 10 men to help control the man.


    There are eye-witnesses who say that Rojas was not fighting back.


    Here's another video:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48f_1...318&comments=1

    Warning: There are some graphic images there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    There are eye-witnesses who say that Rojas was not fighting back.
    Let me guess, the eye witnesses' names are.....
    Sanchez, Lupe', Hernandez, Chavez......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel Yell View Post
    Let me guess, the eye witnesses' names are.....
    Sanchez, Lupe', Hernandez, Chavez......
    Suppose they are, what does that mean?

    Please use a logical line of reason rather than implications dot dot dot dot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post

    There are eye-witnesses who say that Rojas was not fighting back.
    There were witnesses to Oscar Grant as well. Doesn't alter the fact that he was a POS who should have been home with his kid instead of brawling on the BART on New Years Eve. Doesn't alter the fact that if he hadn't been a criminal, he wouldn't have been on the platform, and Officer Mehserle wouldn't have accidentally shot and killed him.

    Illegal aliens aren't citizens, they don't belong here, they are by definition criminals, and if they weren't here then there wouldn't be incidents like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    There were witnesses to Oscar Grant as well. Doesn't alter the fact that he was a POS who should have been home with his kid instead of brawling on the BART on New Years Eve. Doesn't alter the fact that if he hadn't been a criminal, he wouldn't have been on the platform, and Officer Mehserle wouldn't have accidentally shot and killed him.

    Illegal aliens aren't citizens, they don't belong here, they are by definition criminals, and if they weren't here then there wouldn't be incidents like this.
    I cant believe it but I agree with 100%, they don't deserve constitutional rights like US citizens and legal residents.
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