04-24-2012, 03:07 PM
You think me using a Marxist concept to analyze a situation means I support Stalinist show trials and murder? That's an extreme leap, it's laughable.
Meanwhile, people here are openly saying this event itself is a good thing, but that is acceptable?Originally Posted by Adam Smith - Wealth of Nations
04-24-2012, 03:10 PM
Eyewitness accounts are up for scrutiny, victim testimony is always taken with a pile of salt, but a police report is usually taken as Factual Proof.
It's a not-so-strange psychological phenomenon.Originally Posted by Adam Smith - Wealth of Nations
04-24-2012, 03:43 PM
Funny how people who've never been in this position like to make opinions on how to handle things. As I've said, I've seen shackled inmates do damage. Also, you don't know what happened before the video started and, yes, if you're told to stop resisting then yes you will be met with force. Simple solution, when told to stop resisting, stop resisting. It's not that hard to figure out. If you're rights are being violated by being detained, fighting back isn't going to help matter much. This guy was told to stop resisting(looking at the video, he is trying to get up) and didn't listen. Also, the tazer or beating didn't kill him, the heart attack did apparently and considering the autopsy showed he had drugs in his system I don't suppose it's possible the drugs game him the cardiac arrest.Deplorably Proud To Be An American
04-24-2012, 03:53 PM
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Didn't the medical examiner also rule it as a homicide though? We can't take the drug results of the autopsy, and than ignore the ME's overall conclusion.
Drugs in your system can very well contribute to a heart attack when placed under sudden trauma, which unfortunately may have been introduced by the beating and tazering by the officers. A friend of mine even killed a thief just by tackling him, do to the trauma of being tackled while stressed out from running with drugs in his system. He's still battling that legal mess, years later.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't even consider passing a judgement or condemnation of the officers over a quick glance of that grainy video. I would say that it poses some questions and warrants a professional investigation though.
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04-24-2012, 04:36 PM
If that's the case then the officers will be dealt with accordingly. However, wee wee posting this is nothing more than a failed attempt at showing this country as a police state which is funny considering his political leanings.Deplorably Proud To Be An American
04-24-2012, 05:23 PM
In no way would I support a Stalinist state nor would I support a "return to the early 20th century" with a repeat of the Russian revolution. Those were absolute failures and it's important to take a real, honest look at what occurred there, rather than simply broad brushing the entire century and assuming anything associated with the Soviet Union is evil.
The unforgivable tragedy of the Soviet Union is almost matched by it's greatness, the level of advancement they made in their first 50 years as well as the level of terror, was absolutely unprecedented in all of human history
This is worthy of true academic investigation and historical analysis, not blind generalizations and uninformed blow-harding.
If you want to call me a communist, fine have fun with that, but you'll have to figure out how you define that because I wouldn't support a return to any of the 20th century communist regimes.Originally Posted by Adam Smith - Wealth of Nations
04-24-2012, 05:33 PMGovernment is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem.
We could say they are spending like drunken sailors. That would be unfair to drunken sailors, they're spending their OWN money.
04-24-2012, 05:36 PMI feel that once a black fella has referred to white foks as "honky paleface devil white-trash cracker redneck Caspers," he's abdicated the right to get upset about the "N" word. But that's just me. -- Jim Goad
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