SonnabendGuest09-20-2008, 12:02 AMMaybe those sorry Israeli sonofabitches will have to spend $2000 a year on their defense. Maybe the Poles will have to establish their own defense perimeter without the help of the US 1st Armored Division.. Maybe the South Koreans will have to stand up the North Korean army themselves. Maybe Japan and Australia will have to form an alliance to protect their own interest in the Pacific. Maybe all these countries will have to take on more personal responsibility for their own defense instead of having the American taxpayer do it for them.
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09-20-2008, 12:16 AM"Don't vote. It only encourages the bastards." -PJ O'Roarke
SonnabendGuest09-20-2008, 12:23 AMMaybe Japan and Australia will have to form an alliance to protect their own interest in the Pacific
09-20-2008, 12:49 AM
Then along came the surge, and we kicked their ass back to the stone age. Now, rather then create chaos every day what do they do? Largely nothing...I really think they're biding their time until we leave, at which point they'll attack this place en mass."Don't vote. It only encourages the bastards." -PJ O'Roarke
09-20-2008, 02:47 AM"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." -William Pitt
09-20-2008, 06:07 AM
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What makes you think that a lot of Democrats don't get this (other than DU)? The only difference I can see is that the Democrats want to put a prettier, humanitarian face on this harsh realpolitick but we're talking about the same thing. The current crop of Democrats is being vilified on DU as being spineless because they continue to fund this war and don't force Bush to bring the troops home immediately. Oh, there is some grandstanding for public consumption--a throwing of breadcrumbs to the left base--but make no mistake: neither Pelosi nor Reid nor most of the Dems in Congress really want to end this war.
Now I do agree with gator on one point: wars are godawful expensive. And war debt is the surest way to hamstring a nation and even to bring down rulers. There is no prize for coming in second in a war, and every bit of available cash is invested in trying to win; it reminds me of gambling at the casino, with more and more money being dumped into a winner take all game.
Wars are expensive in terms of dollars, life and limb, and that is why it is necessary to be strategic in choosing the wars and in deciding how to fund them at the beginning. This is my chief beef with Rumsfeld (other than his stupid "henny penny" remarks): he underfunded and undermanned the effort in the beginning. Various generals told him what it would take for the war in Iraq, and when they were truthful about the amount of manpower and cost, they were asked to resign. This administration surrounded itself with yes-men so they could do this war "on the cheap." Unfortunately for Rumsfeld, nobody gets a prize for being economical in a war that doesn't go well. Then, if you really want to win, you end up dumping in a lot more cash than you would have originally. (And this doesn't even include the general greed of defense contractors.)
gatorGuest09-20-2008, 06:52 AM
The F-22 is a 5th generation aircraft that will be the state of the art but we fight most of our wars with 4th and 3rd generation aircraft and they are really aging. There is serious doubt about the F-35 being able to do the job it was designed to do.
The command and control systems in the Air Force also needs a major re modernization.
If you would like I can go and hunt up those articles for you.
gatorGuest09-20-2008, 07:06 AM
The bottom line on the Middle East is all really need to be concerned about is the oil supply. The US, along with the rest of the world, needs to make sure the oil supply is stable.
We donít need to be concerned about Israelís right to exist or the plight of the Palestinians or who is running Beirut nowadays. Let those people over there worry about things like that. It is not our problem.
If we were to get out of the business of intervening in the affairs of other countries that has nothing to do with our own security we would be pleasantly surprised to find out a lot of this terror shit against the US would go away. We created that monster and if we think it is going away by us just killing more people then we are very naÔve.
SonnabendGuest09-20-2008, 07:31 AMNot gonna happen! If America stopped buying, or they stopped selling, Japan, China and other would go tits up. They NEED our economy.
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