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    Quote Originally Posted by Articulate_Ape View Post
    Old Europe is doomed.
    So it new Europe. News today Greece just voted out their leaders. Many of the new faces are anti-bailout members. This means any chance for Greece, just went poof.

    Greece is going to fall. Spain will begin the slide. Italy is going. France will start the others off hard as they race for the bottom. Germany is going to have no choice but to tell the others, tough luck and save them selves.

    All this is going to lead to massive roits throughout Europe. Followed up by existing social problems (Islam). And could lead to war as some decide its an all or nothing situation.
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    What I don't understand is how no one seems to be saying the obvious---the new leader of France is a self-proclaimed socialist. Our current leader basically has the same policies, yet very few dare say that the emperor has no clothes---that our pres has socialist policies.

    I hope the voters in the US in 2012 have more sense than the French and Greek voters, otherwise we're all doomed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Articulate_Ape View Post
    Old Europe is doomed.
    I don't think so. I think the backlash to this and the illegal immigration is that a public perception will rise that Hitler was not wrong, he simply had some wrong ideas and methods. It's a little scary.

    Take the Nazi and the antisemitism out, and I think you'll find grip in the "pan-Aryan" world.

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    In terms of neo-Nazism, the Fourth Reich is envisioned as featuring Aryan supremacy, anti-Semitism, Lebensraum, aggressive militarism and totalitarianism. Upon the establishment of the Fourth Reich, German neo-Nazis propose that Germany should acquire nuclear weapons and use the threat of their use to re-expand to Germany's former boundaries as of 1937. [1]

    Subsequently, many neo-Nazis came to believe, based on pamphlets published by David Myatt in the early 1990s, that the rise of the Fourth Reich in Germany would pave the way for the establishment of the Western Imperium, a pan-Aryan world empire encompassing all land populated by predominantly European-descended peoples (i.e., Europe, Russia, Anglo-America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Southern South America, and other significantly white countries in Latin America).[2]

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintLouieWoman View Post
    What I don't understand is how no one seems to be saying the obvious---the new leader of France is a self-proclaimed socialist. Our current leader basically has the same policies, yet very few dare say that the emperor has no clothes---that our pres has socialist policies.

    I hope the voters in the US in 2012 have more sense than the French and Greek voters, otherwise we're all doomed.
    It's rather difficult given the choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    It's rather difficult given the choices.
    Only because they are in a mess of their own creation.

    Cradle to grave Big Government nanny state policies coupled with an increaseing laziness by the work force (30 hour work weeks) out of control Muslim immigration and the fact that the EU is this monolithic mess that is dragging down all member states.

    Either the EU central government in Brussels is going to have to let member countries have some manuver room with interest rates and currency fluctuation to control their economic messes or the EU as we know it today won't last another five years.

    I may actually live to see the return of individual currency in each country again so I can continue my collection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    Only because they are in a mess of their own creation.

    Cradle to grave Big Government nanny state policies coupled with an increaseing laziness by the work force (30 hour work weeks) out of control Muslim immigration and the fact that the EU is this monolithic mess that is dragging down all member states.

    Either the EU central government in Brussels is going to have to let member countries have some manuver room with interest rates and currency fluctuation to control their economic messes or the EU as we know it today won't last another five years.

    I may actually live to see the return of individual currency in each country again so I can continue my collection.
    I meant the difficulty of the face that our choices in the US are Obama and Romney. In a country of 310million people, it's inexcusable that these are our choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintLouieWoman View Post
    What I don't understand is how no one seems to be saying the obvious---the new leader of France is a self-proclaimed socialist. Our current leader basically has the same policies, yet very few dare say that the emperor has no clothes---that our pres has socialist policies.

    I hope the voters in the US in 2012 have more sense than the French and Greek voters, otherwise we're all doomed.
    France has been run by the Socialists before. It's their further-left party. Mitterand was a Socialist (as well as a WWII collaborator with the Germans, those socialists sure stick together), and he was instrumental in getting France into the EUrozone mess.

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    I don't think so. I think the backlash to this and the illegal immigration is that a public perception will rise that Hitler was not wrong, he simply had some wrong ideas and methods. It's a little scary.

    Take the Nazi and the antisemitism out, and I think you'll find grip in the "pan-Aryan" world.

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    In terms of neo-Nazism, the Fourth Reich is envisioned as featuring Aryan supremacy, anti-Semitism, Lebensraum, aggressive militarism and totalitarianism. Upon the establishment of the Fourth Reich, German neo-Nazis propose that Germany should acquire nuclear weapons and use the threat of their use to re-expand to Germany's former boundaries as of 1937. [1]

    Subsequently, many neo-Nazis came to believe, based on pamphlets published by David Myatt in the early 1990s, that the rise of the Fourth Reich in Germany would pave the way for the establishment of the Western Imperium, a pan-Aryan world empire encompassing all land populated by predominantly European-descended peoples (i.e., Europe, Russia, Anglo-America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Southern South America, and other significantly white countries in Latin America).[2]

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    It's hard to take the antisemitism out of Europe. European intellectuals have always been antisemitic, especially the British, French, Dutch and Norwegians. Norway and France had active collaborationist governments during WWII which exceeded the Nazi demands for deportations of Jews, while Britain kept Jews from emigrating to Palestine, despite the fact that they desperately needed the manpower (Jews tried to join the British army en masse, but were restricted to one regiment and separate battalions within other regiments). Meanwhile, the British desperately tried to recruit Arabs, but were hampered by their sympathies for the Germans (in some cases, there were Arab revolts in British territories on behalf of the Germans, including an Egyptian plot involving Egyptian officers sabotaging the British for Rommel).

    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    Only because they are in a mess of their own creation.

    Cradle to grave Big Government nanny state policies coupled with an increaseing laziness by the work force (30 hour work weeks) out of control Muslim immigration and the fact that the EU is this monolithic mess that is dragging down all member states.

    Either the EU central government in Brussels is going to have to let member countries have some manuver room with interest rates and currency fluctuation to control their economic messes or the EU as we know it today won't last another five years.

    I may actually live to see the return of individual currency in each country again so I can continue my collection.
    The EU central government has no reason for existence if the single currency goes away. The whole point of the EU was to create a European state that would rival the US, and monetary union is both a critical function of unifying their state, and the most prominent symbol of it. Even allowing a country to leave the Eurozone could be seen as seccession from Europe, something that Brussels cannot allow. They will fight to perpetuate their control of Europe, which is why they will end up in a major conflict with the Greeks, who are rebelling against central fiscal control (and fiscal sanity, but that's another issue).

    Given that the EU cannot allow Greece to leave without watching the whole thing come apart (Greece, Italy, Ireland, Spain and Portugal are all in the same boat, with varying rates of sinking), but they cannot allow Greece's economic autonomy to bring down the whole thing. If I had to make a prediction, I'd guess that, under the excuse of "restoring order" against the rioters, we will see troops from the EU (Germany or France or both) enter Greece sometime in the next decade. With those troops will come economic mandates.
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    This should tell us something as conservatives, when a country is in trouble because of overspending and to many social programs they don't cry for conservatives to come in and rescue them, they want socialists to do socialism better, they want more hand outs and bigger government safety nets.
    The democratic world is not going to choose more conservative and more responsible social programs, they will go broke and crumble and dictators will seize the opportunity to rule and use the people.
    Democratic republics don't spring from chaotic masses, they come from morally responsible God fearing people that group together for a better life, I don't see any majorities of responsible people anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    News today Greece just voted out their leaders.
    Are there any Jews in Greece? They better get the hell outta there.

    First, the Muslim Brotherhood. Now, the Neo-Nazis. Jews in Greece have to be thinking "WTF, are you shitting me".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Articulate_Ape View Post
    Old Europe is doomed.
    Germany will finally conquer Europe. Without firing a shot this time.
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