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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    This should tell us something as conservatives, when a country is in trouble because of overspending and to many social programs they don't cry for conservatives to come in and rescue them, they want socialists to do socialism better, they want more hand outs and bigger government safety nets.
    The democratic world is not going to choose more conservative and more responsible social programs, they will go broke and crumble and dictators will seize the opportunity to rule and use the people.
    Democratic republics don't spring from chaotic masses, they come from morally responsible God fearing people that group together for a better life, I don't see any majorities of responsible people anywhere.
    I think what people need to remember is that Hollade is the first president on the left since I think the 70s. So you can't exactly blame the socialists for getting France into this mess.

    Sarkozy was on the right. Not even center-right, but right-right by French standards, so probably center-right by US standards. Sarkozy also was an incredibly corrupt industrialist. Chirac was also on the right (although more center) and also incredibly corrupt. People voted for Hollande because they wanted change.

    The real lesson for the US is that a bad president (or really, a series of bad presidents) who wave the flag of conservatism and destroy a country will sour people's taste for the ideals they espouse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m00 View Post
    The real lesson for the US is that a bad president (or really, a series of bad presidents) who wave the flag of conservatism and destroy a country will sour people's taste for the ideals they espouse.
    In the long run they only punish themselves, my only question now is how long before Europe is at war?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    In the long run they only punish themselves, my only question now is how long before Europe is at war?
    Probably not an issue - they can't afford to arm up for it without shooting those lavish social programs in the ass, causing revolution before they could use their military to make war on anyone else.
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    When countries and people run out of money it seems like that's when wars start, it doesn't have to make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumbAss Tanker View Post
    Probably not an issue - they can't afford to arm up for it without shooting those lavish social programs in the ass, causing revolution before they could use their military to make war on anyone else.
    France is a serious military power already. Their military-spending-to-GPD is quite high. They have one of the largest armies in Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m00 View Post
    France is a serious military power already. Their military-spending-to-GPD is quite high. They have one of the largest armies in Europe.
    In a "Tallest midget" sense there is some truth to that, if I was Belgium I'd be sweating...if Belgium had anything for France to take they didn't own already.

    Grow up and stop slapping the panic button, people.
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    Looks like another Greek election is looming
    Syriza leader Alexis Tsipras failed to find coalition partners in his attempt to form a government and will hand back the mandate to President Karolos Papoulias tomorrow, an official with the party told reporters in Athens today.
    Insistence by Pasok and New Democracy, two of the three biggest parties in the parliament, on sticking to the terms of an international bailout makes it impossible for Syriza to govern with them, the official said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumbAss Tanker View Post
    In a "Tallest midget" sense there is some truth to that, if I was Belgium I'd be sweating...if Belgium had anything for France to take they didn't own already.

    Grow up and stop slapping the panic button, people.
    The French Socialists may succeed in enacting their agenda, but keep in mind that the EU permits unrestricted immigration and that France's taxes don't go past its borders, and you have a formula for capital flight. When the tax rate hits 75% on the wealthy, the wealthy will hit the borders with all of their assets. When that happens, watch France's economy topple.

    The really scary thing is not the possibility that the French will invade Belgium (or anywhere else, for that matter, a troop of Girl Scouts could defend the borders and not be overwhelmed by Gallic military prowess), it's that the collapse of the Eurozone will topple the economies of most of the European Union members. The dollar is backed by the full faith and credit of the United States, but the Euro is backed by the best wishes of the Germans and French. None of the other economies have enough equity to back it. If France abandons fiscal restraint and alienates its productive class, we will see their economy tank, and the Euro with it. Germany cannot hold it up alone, and won't want to. As the Euro tanks, we can expect to hear a few choruses of Deutzchemarks uber alles across the Siegfried Line.

    But, what happens when the rest of Europe suddenly finds itself trying to deal with a worthless currency? The benefits packages that the social democracies touted as being somehow superior to capitalism will become completely unsustainable and collapse in a very short time. Those pensioners who objected to having to work past the age of 50 will now have to try to reenter the work force, which won't be receptive to making room, especially when unemployment starts to skyrocket. Throw in a violent subculture of ghettoized, militant Islamic welfare recipients suddenly confronted with having their checks cut off, or worse, rendered worthless by runaway inflation, and the stage is set for serious, violent anarchy. The only question is how quickly the hit will happen, and how violent the reaction will be. Old Europe could look very much like older Europe (circa 1848), complete with barricades, within a couple of years.

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    See...it took 2 decades for all the idiots who voted for the last socialist that screwed up France's economy to die off or forget those days that there is a new generation that believes all the Socialist bull. Kinda like when I was young and my peers thought the damn 60s were really so great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumbAss Tanker View Post
    In a "Tallest midget" sense there is some truth to that, if I was Belgium I'd be sweating...if Belgium had anything for France to take they didn't own already.

    Grow up and stop slapping the panic button, people.
    Yeah, but like... if you look at world military powers, it's US, China... Russia... Everyone else. Of the "everyone else category" France is doing quite well. Don't forget, they have nukes (in fact, they have very solid nuclear technology). That's all I'm saying. But really I just wanted to point out that the mess France is in has nothing to do with the socialist party. Which is not saying that Hollande's policies will improve anything, other than the fact that not having rampant theft and corruption is generally better than having it, all other policies aside.
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