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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    real good job CIA.

    You can't "foil" a terror plot, when you helped set it up and knew about it before it was conceived.

    another real good job for the Obama administration too.
    Actually, that's exactly how you foil a terror plot. HUMINT is a critical capability, and it's nice to see the CIA using it for a change. However, by leaking that the operative was a plant, the CIA has created an OPSEC problem. AQIAP will now be on guard against infiltration to a far greater degree, and any other agents on the ground will be in greater jeopardy. Whoever leaked this needs to be found and subject to the full penalties of the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Actually, that's exactly how you foil a terror plot. HUMINT is a critical capability, and it's nice to see the CIA using it for a change. However, by leaking that the operative was a plant, the CIA has created an OPSEC problem. AQIAP will now be on guard against infiltration to a far greater degree, and any other agents on the ground will be in greater jeopardy. Whoever leaked this needs to be found and subject to the full penalties of the law.

    ya...but in this case the HUMINT contact was designed to create the very terror plot the CIA is claiming it foiled.

    The epitomy of idiocy is to "allegedly" fight something by creating more of it...then claim victory over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    ya...but in this case the HUMINT contact was designed to create the very terror plot the CIA is claiming it foiled.

    The epitomy of idiocy is to "allegedly" fight something by creating more of it...then claim victory over it.
    You have it backwards. The plot was ongoing and they got a double agent into the mix, who then provided information that led to a drone strike against the planner, who was a longstanding target.

    Just because you don't like the CIA doesn't mean that they don't do the right thing once in a while. Give credit where it is due.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    You have it backwards. The plot was ongoing and they got a double agent into the mix, who then provided information that led to a drone strike against the planner, who was a longstanding target.

    Just because you don't like the CIA doesn't mean that they don't do the right thing once in a while. Give credit where it is due.
    You have it backwards: No...I don't like the CIA because they have consistantly not done right thing. The military can and should handle its own OPSEC and Intel. We don't have a Joint military intelligence college for nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    You have it backwards: No...I don't like the CIA because they have consistantly not done right thing. The military can and should handle its own OPSEC and Intel. We don't have a Joint military intelligence college for nothing.
    The disposition of Intel responsibilities in the government is not the issue. You claimed that the CIA had created the threat and then eliminated it. They did not. The infiltrated an operative into an ongoing operation, and prevented it from going forward. They also were able to target the planner and his inner circle. Regardless of who you or I think ought to have done it, it was done and done well.

    Now, the subsequent leak of this information and the exposure of the details is something else, and that needs to be fully investigated. This is the real problem with the CIA, that it is part of the State Department, and it shares the culture there. The State Department is notorious for leaks that undermine their leadership, especially when Republicans are in charge. That place needs a full-on housecleaning.

    When Roosevelt first assigned Wild Bill Donovan to create the Office of the Coordinator of Information, he recognized that there was a gap in our intel capabilities that was the result of the priorities of the different services. The FBI, the Office of Naval Intelligence and the Army's Military Intelligence branch didn't share information, so if ONI discovered something that the Army needed to know, as often as not, it didn't get there, and vice versa. The COI was meant to gather all of the information gleaned from the military intelligence services and provide a common operating picture, and eventually, the capability to execute operations was added and it became the OSS. Now, the CIA has become the State Department's in-house intelligence service, with the same proprietary issues that the other agencies had. The US intelligence community needs another overhaul, similar to that one, with all of the intel agencies coming under a joint intel command, ideally at the cabinet level. This agency would be a coordination agency, with the capability of directing the other services to act on intel as needed, and the CIA's operational arm would go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    The disposition of Intel responsibilities in the government is not the issue. You claimed that the CIA had created the threat and then eliminated it. They did not.
    Sure they did. Would-be underwear bomber a double agent

    Brought the Bomb to the CIA willingly

    And, it's not just the CIA. The FEDS do it ALLthe time.

    supposed explosive was a dummy that FBI operatives supplied to him, according to an affidavit in support of a criminal complaint signed by U.S. Magistrate Judge John V. Acosta


    FBI thwarts it's own Drone bomb

    FBI thwarts own Suicide bomb terror plot...again

    so really, there was never really any terror threat to anyone, cause the little arab was working along with the "plan" all along.
    I hope I'm not there on the day when the fake bomb is replaced with a real one.


    In other Real News: Real terrorists are really killing US troops and civilians while we set up patsies.

    and this, from the US State Department's own website showing MEK listed as a "Foreign Terrorist Organization". Yet we are funding them with aid along with the UN, and British. In the 1970s, MEK killed three U.S. officers and three civilian contractors in Iran years ago and continues to do so today.

    Bring back the good ol' days of the OSS.
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