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    By James M. Griffin and Mauricio Cifuentes Soto

    The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 (EISA) mandated a steep rise in domestic ethanol production. The goals were to ease dependency on imported petroleum, cut greenhouse gas emissions and reduce fuel costs to motorists. EISA mandated ethanol production to grow from 4.9 billion gallons in 2006 to 36 billion gallons by 2022. Today, at 14 billion gallons, we're not even half-way there. The unintended consequences of the policy, especially those influencing world food prices, far outweigh the intended benefits.
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    A society that is floating on a sea of oil that is burning its food.
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    The Energy Independence ... Act ...

    What a clever name as it is obvious to most of us what a contradiction in terms this "Act" is in relation to its title.

    However, the "Act" part of the title appears to be accurate.
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    I'm curious......How much would the price of gasoline go down if we stopped using ethanol, or would it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck58 View Post
    I'm curious......How much would the price of gasoline go down if we stopped using ethanol, or would it?
    Not much. A few cents, at most. But the price of food would drop dramatically. Corn is a critical grain that is not only used in lots of other foods, but is also used in livestock feed. A reduction in the price of corn would lead to reductions in the prices of anything made with corn, corn syrup, corn starch and meat that's been fed on corn, which constitutes about 80% of the foods available in a supermarket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Not much. A few cents, at most. But the price of food would drop dramatically. Corn is a critical grain that is not only used in lots of other foods, but is also used in livestock feed. A reduction in the price of corn would lead to reductions in the prices of anything made with corn, corn syrup, corn starch and meat that's been fed on corn, which constitutes about 80% of the foods available in a supermarket.
    Other than a little corn starch, I don't eat those things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Other than a little corn starch, I don't eat those things.
    How admirable, if it is something he doesn't use he is willing to make the sacrifice and throw the rest of us under the bus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Not much. A few cents, at most. But the price of food would drop dramatically. Corn is a critical grain that is not only used in lots of other foods, but is also used in livestock feed. A reduction in the price of corn would lead to reductions in the prices of anything made with corn, corn syrup, corn starch and meat that's been fed on corn, which constitutes about 80% of the foods available in a supermarket.
    Just about every sweetener also derives from corn. And a lot of poorer countries depend on corn as a cheap staple. Or used to. Starting immediately south of the border. Mexico and Central and South America may not be the poorest but they do have very large poor populaces which also affect the kids in those countries. I think the impact is much greater then most of us actually appreciate. Thanks US Government. Always lookin out for the little guy, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Other than a little corn starch, I don't eat those things.
    So, let them eat tofu?

    This is not about you. You are affluent enough to focus on refining your diet in order to satisfy concerns beyond hunger, but not everyone has that luxury, and it is a luxury. Corn is a critical food source, and literally hundreds of millions of people depend upon it as the basis of their diets. Ethanol is less efficient than gasoline and costs more (and when the factors of growing it are added to the combustion, it ends up with the same carbon footprint as gasoline), but corn is an extremely efficient food source. Burning it in order to satisfy green fantasists' concerns about carbon emissions while taking it out of the mouths of hungry people throughout the world makes no sense, either economically or morally.

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    Just about every sweetener also derives from corn. And a lot of poorer countries depend on corn as a cheap staple. Or used to. Starting immediately south of the border. Mexico and Central and South America may not be the poorest but they do have very large poor populaces which also affect the kids in those countries. I think the impact is much greater then most of us actually appreciate. Thanks US Government. Always lookin out for the little guy, right?
    Exactly. If a conservative proposed burning food to power SUVs, he'd be the most hated man in the world. But if a liberal does it, he's an environmentalist. This demonstrates that enviro-whackjobs have no understanding of the science of their positions, and are utterly indifferent to the human costs of their policies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Ethanol is less efficient than gasoline and costs more (and when the factors of growing it are added to the combustion, it ends up with the same carbon footprint as gasoline), but corn is an extremely efficient food source. Burning it in order to satisfy green fantasists' concerns about carbon emissions while taking it out of the mouths of hungry people throughout the world makes no sense, either economically or morally.


    The carbon dioxide emitted is much higher when you factor in the fuel used by equipment to grow it and the fuel used to distill it, but then again we all know that carbon is the building block of life and their vilifying it is just more of their folly.
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