05-16-2012, 05:34 PM
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I'm startled at how often I'm surprised what vile creatures they can be over there. Especially that "bupkus" caricature. Many of them will suspend reason and believe that a doctor of medicine would lie about such a thing, yet they had no trouble putting credibility in a grainy ABC video, shot from some distance away that they believed confirmed their world view. Lord help us if these people do gain control of the political system, as they so often dream of in their fantasies.
05-16-2012, 07:26 PM
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This is how "deeply held beliefs" work. And you wonder why I mock them? These people on DU, some of which are using the actual words "I believe" are engaging in belief. Not scientific deduction or reasonable conclusion - pure believe in conflict with all evidence to the contrary.
Dying to believe in what you heard
I was staring straight into the shining sun
05-17-2012, 02:26 AMStar Member patrice (37,446 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
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18. I still don't get how he could think his life was threatened, since HE was the one with THE GUN.
Even with these kinds of injuries, HOW could he think his life was in danger, HOW could he think an unarmed KID COULD kill him; he's the one with the gun!
05-17-2012, 02:33 PM
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05-17-2012, 04:50 PM--Odysseus
Sic Hacer Pace, Para Bellum.
Before you can do things for people, you must be the kind of man who can get things done. But to get things done, you must love the doing, not the people!
05-17-2012, 05:29 PMStar Member patrice (37,446 posts)
105. It might FEEL like a life or death situation, but it might RATIONALLY be otherwise. Law is rational.
Law wouldn't work at all if it adjudicated on the grounds of something as ephemeral as feelings/emotions.
Lots of things FEEL bad, but are rationally efficacious. Lots of things FEEL good, but are rationally bad.
You are right, he might feel like it was life or death, but he has a RATIONAL responsibility to ascertain whether that feeling is correct or not, especially since the other person is unarmed and HE is the one with the gun.
Z was SUPPOSED to figure it out. The law says there are consequences for deciding wrongly.
His responsibility is commensurate with his power, the gun, a greater power than Trayvon had, therefore much more responsibility for getting it right.
If he had been responsible enough to get it figured out right, Trayvon would be alive, and justly so, and Zimmerman would be a free man. He didn't just fuck up. He fucked up BIG, because of the gun. He must pay the price.
Zimmerman has been charged with a crime that the State has to know he won't be convicted on. That is the reason I believe they didn't charge him with manslaughter. A jury might have convicted for the lessor offense but charging him with 2nd degree murder will result in a hung jury at worse.“I have learned now that while those who speak about one's miseries usually hurt, those who keep silence hurt more.”
God judged it better to bring good out of evil than to suffer no evil to exist.
St. Augustine of Hippo
05-17-2012, 07:47 PMGovernment is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem.
We could say they are spending like drunken sailors. That would be unfair to drunken sailors, they're spending their OWN money.
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