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    MIAMI (Reuters) - Nearly half of Florida high school students failed the reading portion of the state's new toughened standardized test, education officials said on Friday.

    Results this year from the Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test showed 52 percent of freshman students and 50 percent of sophomores scored at their grade levels.

    Students in the 10th grade must pass the exam in order to eventually graduate but can retake it if they fail.

    The results came days after the Florida State Board of Education voted to lower the standards needed to pass the writing part of the test, known as FCAT. The test is administered in public elementary, middle and high schools.

    The board took the action in an emergency meeting when preliminary results indicated only about one-third of Florida students would have passed this year.

    "We are asking more from our students and teachers than we ever have, and I am proud of their hard work," Florida Education Commissioner Gerard Robinson said in a statement.

    "As Florida transitions to higher standards and higher expectations, we can expect our assessment results to reflect those changes."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post

    The results came days after the Florida State Board of Education voted to lower the standards needed to pass the writing part of the test, known as FCAT. >>>

    >>> I am proud of their hard work," Florida Education Commissioner Gerard Robinson said in a statement.

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    It figures theyd be "proud" of themselves after lowering the standards ... yet again.
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    As long as The Department of Education exists in its present form, this will continue.

    Department of Revenue must be downsized and get its boot off the neck of state administrators so that they can solve their problems at the state level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janice View Post
    It figures theyd be "proud" of themselves after lowering the standards ... yet again.
    The standards aren't too high here for either the students or the teachers. There's a teacher here who lives in my neighborhood with a masters. It figures she got it from a Florida school. She can't reason, talk, or write better than a 4th grader. To say she's dull is an overstatement. No wonder the students aren't doing well.

    When a teacher or administrator is obviously not capable or has done something really wrong, they give them a job filing or some menial work AT FULL PAY. The system is a mess here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintLouieWoman View Post
    The standards aren't too high here for either the students or the teachers. There's a teacher here who lives in my neighborhood with a masters. It figures she got it from a Florida school. She can't reason, talk, or write better than a 4th grader. To say she's dull is an overstatement. No wonder the students aren't doing well.

    When a teacher or administrator is obviously not capable or has done something really wrong, they give them a job filing or some menial work AT FULL PAY. The system is a mess here.
    It is a mess and that's a shame especially when you look at your tax bill and see where the majority of the $$$ are going.

    Let's face it, you come to Florida AFTER you're all grown up and done with skool. I say throw all the little bastards out of the state and tell em to come back to go to Disney, visit grandma, or buy a retirement condo.
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    It's a huge drop from last year's scores. It's my understanding the test is on it's way out.

    Florida in some areas has also started paying teachers by merits rather then senority...

    I went to a private school, our scores on the "tests" always blew away the public schools..and our teachers made less money. The teachers were teachers because they wanted kids to learn...not just for a paycheck.
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    I went to good public schools, and our district usually had among the higher scores in West Michigan. Kentwood Public Schools still are an excellent public school system. I like to hold it up as an example here, because Kentwood's racial dynamics have changed drastically in the 30 years since I graduated, but they have maintained their high standards and achievement.


    When I went to WMU, I realized how excellent my education was compared to some of my peers. My best friend, who graduated from Westland Schools, could read, but couldn't write a decent report. A roommate of mine, who was on an athletic scholarship, couldn't read and had dyslexia, which had never been diagnosed in the 13 years of her pre-college education. She learned to read in college, and that just is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobJohnson View Post
    It's a huge drop from last year's scores. It's my understanding the test is on it's way out.
    Are you saying that because the scores were so bad, they're going to drop the test or lower the standards?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobJohnson View Post
    It's a huge drop from last year's scores. It's my understanding the test is on it's way out.

    Florida in some areas has also started paying teachers by merits rather then senority...

    I went to a private school, our scores on the "tests" always blew away the public schools..and our teachers made less money. The teachers were teachers because they wanted kids to learn...not just for a paycheck.
    Teachers can have all the "merits" in the world and still know nothing. It's like St Louis Woman's example of the teacher with a masters degree.

    One of the problems really is the teacher's union IMO. It serves its purpose in the sense that it helps teachers get paid enough. It's not fair to tell a teacher "You have to buy materials for your classroom, but we won't pay you squat." Some of the most caring people I know are either refusing to become teachers or to earn more degrees to stay teachers because of this very issue. It's not that they don't care, it's that they can't live broke.

    OTOH, teachers unions have pushed for too many benefits. For example, many states have a rule that if you make it past three years, then you're practically untouchable. It's nearly impossible to get that teacher fired. It doesn't matter how crappy their teaching is, how many of their students are failing, etc. They're untouchable. It shouldn't be like that. Another problem I've seen is that if a teacher admits to not being able to come back for the rest of the year but refuses to quit/retire, then that position is not permanently filled by another permanent teacher. Many school districts can add on a substitute at a contract pay rate, but a lot of school systems don't get to do that. It's like "Are you going to come back tomorrow?" That's pretty bad.

    So, I'd like to see teachers still get a decent amount of pay and I get offended at people who suggest they're not worth a dime, but honestly there are too many benefits that have been accumulated. I'd like to see some of those benefits go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintLouieWoman View Post
    The standards aren't too high here for either the students or the teachers. There's a teacher here who lives in my neighborhood with a masters. It figures she got it from a Florida school. She can't reason, talk, or write better than a 4th grader. To say she's dull is an overstatement. No wonder the students aren't doing well.

    When a teacher or administrator is obviously not capable or has done something really wrong, they give them a job filing or some menial work AT FULL PAY. The system is a mess here.

    I don't know much about Florida schools.


    In Michigan, there is a huge difference between scores from wealthy or middle class suburban districts and poor urban or rural districts. There is also a big difference in the amount of school work and the expectations of parents and teachers in the more successful districts.
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