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06-12-2012, 02:56 PM
However, I will gladly share some quotes with you from the man himself:
My views...are the result of a life of inquiry and reflection, and very different from the anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions.
--Letter to Dr. Benjamin Rush, April 21, 1803To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian in the only sense in which he wished anyone to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others...
--Letter to Dr. Benjamin Rush, April 21, 1803In time of prosperity fill our hearts with thankfulness, and in the day of trouble, suffer not our trust in Thee to fail; all of which we ask through Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen.
--A National Prayer For Peace, March 4, 1805A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen; it is a document in proof that I am a real Christian; that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus.
--Letter to Charles Thomson, January 9, 1816, regarding his book, The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth:
OK. But just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it's not there.
About the only thing I could recommend is that you go to The Smithsonian Institution and ask if you can read The Jefferson Bible for yourself. Who knows? Maybe they'll let you.
06-12-2012, 03:09 PM
Many liberals believe in God, too. Don't get too deep into the myth that every last one is a Pagan.
With that said, my morality can be closely related to Abraham Lincoln's views. "When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad."
You don't need scripture for that.
And yes many of our laws are similar to religious text but that doesn't necessarily mean that is the only reason they are laws.
I do not need a book to tell me it is wrong to kill someone, self-defense aside. I don't need a book to tell me it is wrong to take that which isn't mine. But that is just me.
06-12-2012, 03:17 PMgo to The Smithsonian Institution and ask if you can read The Jefferson Bible for yourselfGood men sleep peaceably in their beds at night because
rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
Real superheroes don't wear capes. They wear dog tags.
06-12-2012, 03:21 PM
There are illiterate tribesman in the middle of Africa who have never heard of Jesus or a Bible and know not to kill people without just cause. How did they figure it out? And I told you my basis: Indiscriminately killing someone without just cause, such as self defense, is wrong. I don't need a Bible to tell me that. Just an appreciation for human life.“A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others.” – Ayn Rand
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06-12-2012, 03:24 PM
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Christians have been hacking at the undergrowth for a couple thousand years, now. But, still, the Christian sites claim that 42% of the world's population have not been told the story. So they keep sending youths from our town to Nicaragua.........go figure
06-12-2012, 03:28 PM“A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others.” – Ayn Rand
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06-12-2012, 03:41 PM
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Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil.
C. S. Lewis
Do not ever say that the desire to "do good" by force is a good motive. Neither power-lust nor stupidity are good motives. (Are you listening Barry)?:mad:
06-12-2012, 04:38 PM
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I was greatly saddened to learn that Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) was NOT a Christian. Jefferson made so many wonderful patriotic quotes concerning freedom and the dangers of the central bank. I was amazed as I watched a PBS documentary on the life of Thomas Jefferson............
I realize that there are historical writings which reveal that Thomas Jefferson claimed to be a Christian, including an actual photo of Jefferson's handwritten statement “I am a real Christian.” Albeit, just as most professed Christians today are not true born-again believers, the following quotes from Mr. Jefferson make it quite clear that he was NO Christian:
“And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.” —Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
I think some people would consider Jefferson a Christian today and others would not. Does it really matter? Not to me. The founders were right on some things; wrong on others. Just like men today.
To the above quoted "bleever" Jefferson strays off the path of Christianity; others make a different argument. But both arguments are out there.
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