#1 Something really, really weird found on DU
06-17-2012, 02:05 AM
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- May 2012
rfranklin (12,107 posts)
1. My LTTE in response to an "America is a Christian nation" nut...
Last edited Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:16 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
That the founding fathers intended the Constitution to be secular is beyond question; motions to include religious references at the Constitutional Convention were voted down. We know this from the 1788 pamphlet written by NJ-born Luther Martin, who was a delegate for Maryland.
The Constitution's secularism was decried by colonial clergy. John M. Mason, D.D. complained in a 1793 sermon that the "very Constitution which the singular goodness of God enabled us to establish, does not so much as recognize his being! ... From the Constitution of the United States, it is impossible to ascertain what God we worship; or whether we own a God at all ."
It's found here:http://skeptictank.org/files/atheist2/secularc.htm (May 1993 -- seems to be the earliest source)
here: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...-schools/page4 (Aug. 2004)
here: http://www.chacha.com/question/why-d...on-mention-god (Jan. 2012)
here: http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=29182 (Oct. 2003)
and here: http://www.uspoliticsonline.net/huma...on-myth-6.html (Oct. 2006)
Also note that some of the texts are strangely slightly different:
"The Constitution's secularism was decried by colonial clergy." (DU post)
"The Constitution's secularism was duly noted by colonial clergy." (May 1993 and Oct. 2006)
"The Constitution's secularism greatly disturbed the colonial clergy of the day." (Aug. 2004)
I am most confused. I sense a ton of plagiarism going on. This is honestly one of the most bizarre things I've seen online. The mindless regurgitating of this material is astounding.
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