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    I haven't posted much here in a long time. I still drop in from time to time, but mostly just lurk.

    This is the email from redstate on John Roberts. Pretty interesting take on the decision. He definately left the door open.

    Dear RedState Reader,

    As you have no doubt heard by now, the Supreme Court largely upheld Obamacare with Chief Justice John Roberts writing the majority 5 to 4 decision. Even Justice Kennedy called for the whole law to be thrown out, but John Roberts saved it.

    Having gone through the opinion, I am not going to beat up on John Roberts. I am disappointed, but I want to make a few points. John Roberts is playing at a different game than the rest of us. Were on poker. Hes on chess.

    First, I get the strong sense from a few anecdotal stories about Roberts over the past few months and the way he has written this opinion that he very, very much was concerned about keeping the Supreme Court above the partisan fray and damaging the reputation of the Court long term. It seems to me the left was smart to make a full frontal assault on the Court as it persuaded Roberts.

    Second, in writing his opinion, Roberts forces everyone to deal with the issue as a political, not a legal issue. In the past twenty years, Republicans have punted a number of issues to the Supreme Court asking the Court to save us from ourselves. They cant do that with Roberts. They tried with McCain-Feingold, which was originally upheld. This case is a timely reminder to the GOP that five votes are not a sure thing.

    Third, while Roberts has expanded the taxation power, which I dont really think is a massive expansion from what it was, Roberts has curtailed the commerce clause as an avenue for Congressional overreach. In so doing, he has affirmed the Democrats are massive taxers. In fact, I would argue that this may prevent future mandates in that no one is going to go around campaigning on new massive tax increases. On the upside, I guess we can tax the hell out of abortion now. Likewise, in a 7 to 2 decision, the Court shows a strong majority still recognize the concept of federalism and the restrains of Congress in forcing states to adhere to the whims of the federal government.

    Fourth, in forcing us to deal with this politically, the Democrats are going to have a hard time running to November claiming the American people need to vote for them to preserve Obamacare. It remains deeply, deeply unpopular with the American people. If they want to make a vote for them a vote for keeping a massive tax increase, let them try.

    Fifth, the decision totally removes a growing left-wing talking point that suddenly they must vote for Obama because of judges. The Supreme Court as a November issue for the left is gone. For the right? That sound you hear is the marching of libertarians into Camp Romney, with noses held, knowing that the libertarian and conservative coalitions must unite to defeat Obama and Obamacare.

    Finally, while I am not down on John Roberts like many of you are today, i will be very down on Congressional Republicans if they do not now try to shut down the individual mandate. Force the Democrats on the record about the mandate. Defund Obamacare. This now, by necessity, is a political fight and the GOP sure as hell should fight.

    60% of Americans agree with them on the issue. And guess what? The Democrats have been saying for a while that individual pieces of Obamacare are quite popular. With John Roberts opinion, the repeal fight takes place on GOP turf, not Democrat turf. The all or nothing repeal has always been better ground for the GOP and now John Roberts has forced everyone onto that ground.

    It seems very, very clear to me in reviewing John Roberts decision that he is playing a much longer game than us and can afford to with a life tenure. And he probably just handed Mitt Romney the White House.

    *A friend points out one other thing go back to 2009. Olympia Snowe was the deciding vote to get Obamacare out of the Senate Committee. Had she voted no, wed not be here now.
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    Amen. Krauthammer made similar points. Roberts isn't our enemy.. he brilliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Amen. Krauthammer made similar points. Roberts isn't our enemy.. he brilliant.
    I'm really starting to think he's just giving the left enough rope to hang themselves with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel Yell View Post
    I'm really starting to think he's just giving the left enough rope to hang themselves with.
    It would be a move worthy of Rove.
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    Too much spin for me, I can't give Roberts that much credit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Too much spin for me, I can't give Roberts that much credit.
    +1

    Way too much spin. Krauthammer is way too intelligent to be buying this bull. Roberts has put the entire issue for conservatives behind the 8 ball.

    It's unconstitutional period.

    Here's one truism in the SCOTUS. If a justice is going to bail it's going to always be the supossed "conservative" judge. I have yet to watch a liberal justice not tow the left wing line on every decision. When we lose it's because one of ours defected.

    Fifth, the decision totally removes a growing left-wing talking point that suddenly they must vote for Obama because of judges. The Supreme Court as a November issue for the left is gone. For the right? That sound you hear is the marching of libertarians into Camp Romney, with noses held, knowing that the libertarian and conservative coalitions must unite to defeat Obama and Obamacare.
    Uggggh! Hes defeating his own argument. If anything this also applies to the GOP because Roberts is a Bush nominee. One could argue it matters little either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    +1

    Way too much spin. Krauthammer is way too intelligent to be buying this bull. Roberts has put the entire issue for conservatives behind the 8 ball.

    It's unconstitutional period.

    Here's one truism in the SCOTUS. If a justice is going to bail it's going to always be the supossed "conservative" judge. I have yet to watch a liberal justice not tow the left wing line on every decision. When we lose it's because one of ours defected.



    Uggggh! Hes defeating his own argument. If anything this also applies to the GOP because Roberts is a Bush nominee. One could argue it matters little either way.
    They just got done turning the Arizona immigration case into a big circle jerk also.
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    Yes, I too am wondering if Roberts is just being "too smart by half" if this is just a strategy.

    Even if this is his so called "legacy" building ploy... because hes the chief justice. I can only guess he sipped a bit too much of the DC circuit kool aid.

    This is the sort of thing that brought the tea party into being. And now it is being brought to a boil.

    Democrats beware. You might be laughing now... but we'll see funny you think this is come elections.
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    It actually is a bright spot that the Court FINALLY found something where they are willing to draw a line and say there is a limit to the scope of the Commerce Clause, however I am extremely disappointed that they validated the mandate as a tax when the Administration specifically disclaimed the position that it could be a tax in their argument to the Court. Normally when you refuse a position in an appeal that turns out could have made you a winner, in retrospect after the opinion comes down, you are stuck with what you argued and therefore just plain screwed. Tossing them a lifeline on this was not appropriate.
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    I hope I'm wrong but I see another Kennedy.
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