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  1. #1 Morning Bell: Obama’s Imperial Presidency Guts Welfare Reform 
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    The imperial Presidency has overturned Congress and the law again. Not content to stop at rewriting immigration policy, education policy and energy policy, yesterday, President Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) released an official policy directive rewriting the welfare reform law of 1996. The new policy guts the federal work requirements that were the foundation of the Clinton-era reform.
    While this real news occurred yesterday, most of the media remained fixated on political ads and speeches, letting a major and unilateral shift in America’s welfare system go nearly unreported.

    Welfare reform replaced the old Aid to Families with Dependent Children with a new program, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). The Heritage Foundation played a pivotal role in building bipartisan consensus for the reform and providing many of the recommendations that became part of the law. The whole point was that able-bodied adults should be required to work or prepare for work as a condition of receiving welfare aid.

    This reform was very successful. TANF became the only welfare program (out of more than 70) that promoted greater self-reliance. It moved 2.8 million families off the welfare rolls and into jobs so that they were providing for themselves. Child poverty fell, and single-parent employment rose. Recipients were required to perform at least 20–30 hours per week of work or job preparation activities in exchange for the cash benefit.

    Now, Obama’s HHS is claiming that it can waive those work requirements that are at the heart of the law, and without Congress’s consent.

    When it established TANF, Congress deliberately exempted or shielded nearly all of the TANF program from waiver authority. They explicitly did not want the law to be rewritten at the whim of HHS bureaucrats. In a December 2001, the non-partisan Congressional Research Service clarified that there was no authority to override work and other major requirements: “Effectively, there are no TANF waivers,” it reported.

    But that did not stop the Obama Administration, which has been increasing welfare spending at an alarming rate already. President Obama has added millions to the welfare rolls, and his Administration has come under fire lately for its efforts to expand and add more Americans to the food stamp program.

    This is a chronic problem: Over the past two decades, welfare spending has grown more rapidly than Social Security and Medicare, education, and defense. The TANF reform was one small step in the direction of reducing Americans’ dependence on government programs and getting them back on their feet. Cutting its work component is likely to unnecessarily swell the ranks of welfare recipients and with no way to pay for it.

    Heritage experts Robert Rector and Kiki Bradley explained further in their comprehensive analysis of yesterday’s announcement:

    In the past, state bureaucrats have attempted to define activities such as hula dancing, attending Weight Watchers, and bed rest as “work.” These dodges were blocked by the federal work standards. Now that the Obama Administration has abolished those standards, we can expect “work” in the TANF program to mean anything but work. The new welfare dictate issued by the Obama Administration clearly guts the law.

    Obama certainly didn’t tell people he was going to gut welfare reform when he was running for President in 2008—and why would he? “Welfare horror stories helped elect Ronald Reagan,” wrote Mickey Kaus of The Daily Caller. “A promise to ‘end welfare as we know it’ elected President Clinton…And in 2008, Barack Obama didn’t dare suggest that he wanted to do what he has done today.”
    While the 1996 welfare reform successfully moved people from welfare into work, it did not “end welfare as we know it.” Now, however, the Obama Administration has ended welfare reform as we know it. The President cannot hide his disastrous unemployment record by depriving Americans of the hope of a job. He should immediately reverse this course, and offer constructive ideas for economic growth rather than government dependence.
    Obama is just changing laws without Congressional consent. HURRY UP NOVEMBER.
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    It's scary that no one here noticed your thread. This is huge. Obama has totally changed the welfare program, cancelling in effect what Clinton and Congress had changed. It's interesting that supposedly the wording in the original program precluded any changes. Nothing seems to stop a president so focused on destroying the America that we know. There won't be much left to our country if he gets in for another 4 years. We need to stop squabbling so much and unite against Obama and his programs.

    That Hope and Change is really something. There's no hope for so many Americans whose lives have been ruined, but there sure in hell is a ton of change----really negative change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintLouieWoman View Post
    It's scary that no one here noticed your thread. This is huge. Obama has totally changed the welfare program, cancelling in effect what Clinton and Congress had changed. It's interesting that supposedly the wording in the original program precluded any changes. Nothing seems to stop a president so focused on destroying the America that we know. There won't be much left to our country if he gets in for another 4 years. We need to stop squabbling so much and unite against Obama and his programs.

    That Hope and Change is really something. There's no hope for so many Americans whose lives have been ruined, but there sure in hell is a ton of change----really negative change.
    Except for the profoundly stupid on the board, I believe we all accepted the reality of supporting another Milquetoast candidate. Another four years of this traitorous bastard and we'll have lost any semblance to the free country we love. There is a reason that ammo sells out so quickly these days.
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    Why is the house allowing this to continue? doesnt anyone have a set of balls to stop him?
     

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    There are better ways to reform welfare. This "welfare to work" program and the sudden spotlight that's been placed on it illustrates a profound inconsistency in conservative thought.

    Here is how the conservative thought goes:

    1. It's Obama's fault that the unemployment rate is so high. The government, led by Obama, is making it impossible for people to find work. We must bring up the unemployment rate every hour and talk about how it's Obama's fault because people want to work and the only reason they can't work is because of the Obama administration and Democratic policies. There are simply no jobs available for people to get because Obama is attacking job creators.

    2. People must be required to work in order to receive welfare benefits. People sit back and take welfare without working because they are lazy. If people stay on government assistance, it's their own damn fault and the government should not reward their unwillingness to work. If the government requires work in order to receive welfare, then people will go out and find jobs.


    Conservatives sincerely belief both of these, even though these beliefs are entirely inconsistent. Somehow there are no jobs and out-of-work people are struggling through no fault of their own, because of the actions of the Obama administration. At the same time, there are plenty of jobs and unemployment is purely the fault of the non-working people who could easily get a job if they just went out and tried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
    Why is the house allowing this to continue? doesnt anyone have a set of balls to stop him?
    no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    no.
    Not one ball at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintLouieWoman View Post
    It's scary that no one here noticed your thread. This is huge. Obama has totally changed the welfare program, cancelling in effect what Clinton and Congress had changed. It's interesting that supposedly the wording in the original program precluded any changes. Nothing seems to stop a president so focused on destroying the America that we know. There won't be much left to our country if he gets in for another 4 years. We need to stop squabbling so much and unite against Obama and his programs.

    That Hope and Change is really something. There's no hope for so many Americans whose lives have been ruined, but there sure in hell is a ton of change----really negative change.
    I wondered why there was no response to this thread at first. I thought maybe I read it wrong or I was misunderstanding what it said. The change is what you get to keep from your paycheck after taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    There are better ways to reform welfare. This "welfare to work" program and the sudden spotlight that's been placed on it illustrates a profound inconsistency in conservative thought.

    Here is how the conservative thought goes:
    What would you know about thought of any kind?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    1. It's Obama's fault that the unemployment rate is so high. The government, led by Obama, is making it impossible for people to find work. We must bring up the unemployment rate every hour and talk about how it's Obama's fault because people want to work and the only reason they can't work is because of the Obama administration and Democratic policies. There are simply no jobs available for people to get because Obama is attacking job creators.

    2. People must be required to work in order to receive welfare benefits. People sit back and take welfare without working because they are lazy. If people stay on government assistance, it's their own damn fault and the government should not reward their unwillingness to work. If the government requires work in order to receive welfare, then people will go out and find jobs.


    Conservatives sincerely belief both of these, even though these beliefs are entirely inconsistent. Somehow there are no jobs and out-of-work people are struggling through no fault of their own, because of the actions of the Obama administration. At the same time, there are plenty of jobs and unemployment is purely the fault of the non-working people who could easily get a job if they just went out and tried.
    That is typical of your oversimplification and lampooning of things that you don't bother trying to understand. Job creation is down because the federal government is hamstringing the private sector through massive debt, higher taxes and overt hostility to job creators. Obama's policies have led the charge that is keeping the economy from recovering. The solution to this is not spending more money that we do not have in order to perpetuate dependency and reward failure, but to reduce the amount spent by the federal government and stop punishing employers. Expanding the federal welfare rolls doesn't help the poor, it keeps them poor and prevents their ever moving out of poverty, as demonstrated by the fact that the welfare rolls were dropping for the previous decade, after the last round of reforms imposed work requirements. This is one of the basic flaws in your reasoning. You define compassion by the number of people that your policies push into poverty and dependency, rather than the number of people moved into prosperity and independence.

    What do you teach? Seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    That is typical of your oversimplification and lampooning of things that you don't bother trying to understand. Job creation is down because the federal government is hamstringing the private sector through massive debt, higher taxes and overt hostility to job creators. Obama's policies have led the charge that is keeping the economy from recovering. The solution to this is not spending more money that we do not have in order to perpetuate dependency and reward failure, but to reduce the amount spent by the federal government and stop punishing employers. Expanding the federal welfare rolls doesn't help the poor, it keeps them poor and prevents their ever moving out of poverty, as demonstrated by the fact that the welfare rolls were dropping for the previous decade, after the last round of reforms imposed work requirements. This is one of the basic flaws in your reasoning. You define compassion by the number of people that your policies push into poverty and dependency, rather than the number of people moved into prosperity and independence.
    You are repeating the arguments, adding more superfluous words, and trying to make this about me personally, as always.

    In this paragraph you blame Obama for unemployment and claim that Obama's policies are responsible for the lack of job creation. If that is true, how can you expect welfare recipients to simply find jobs to receive benefits?

    If the unemployment rate is a result of Obama's policies, then a welfare recipient being willing to work and looking for a job isn't enough, because the jobs aren't available. That makes this entire welfare-to-work program impossible.

    The logic behind the welfare-to-work program is that there are jobs available, and that welfare recipients simply aren't trying to get them.

    How can you have it both ways? There are not enough jobs available because of government policies, but welfare recipients only have themselves to blame and they can find work if they tried. This "logic" is entirely inconsistent and you have no addressed the inconsistency.

    I'll repeat it again. Maybe the next time you post a wall of text you'll get around to addressing the point: Conservatives believe that there are not enough jobs available because of government policies, but welfare recipients only have themselves to blame and they can find work if they tried. How is this possible?
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