07-19-2012, 01:51 PM
I could be wrong and her cause is something else.
And, it's not simply that the IOC isn't doing what she says, it's that they are unable to act due to the pressures of the Arab/Islamic states. From the article:
"Spitzer claims that Rogge protested his inability to act earlier this year when the two met to discuss her appeals, saying his hands were tied by admission of 46 Arab and Muslim members to the IOC. 'No,' Spitzer claims she responded, 'my husband’s hands were tied, not yours.'"
Assuming that Spitzer is telling the truth, Rogge admitted that the Arab and Muslim states would not permit the moment of silence. So, either she is lying, or the IOC's actions are being dictated by antisemitic governments with a vicious animus towards Israel and Jews. Is it your contention that she is lying? If so, please say so explicitly, and if not, do the same. And, if you believe that she is lying, perhaps you could explain why the IOC felt that a moment of silence in remembrance of murdered Olympic athletes was inappropriate?
07-19-2012, 02:02 PM
Well, currently not Iran, Egypt, Syria and maybe Libya. I don't have a current scorecard of who is officially calling for the wiping of Israel off the map.Be Not Afraid.
07-19-2012, 03:10 PM
I realize that you enjoy evading direct questions like that, so that you can then pretend that we are accusing you of holding positions that you don't hold, but it gets tiresome for the rest of us. If you do not want to get into whether or not you believe Mrs. Spitzer, then let us concede, for the sake of argument, that Mrs. Spitzer is telling the truth about Rocce's statement. Do you think that the IOC is correct to refrain from an official act of remembrance (Costas is not an IOC official, and his mention of the murders is not an IOC-sanctioned remembrance)? Or, are you going to reject this question, as well?
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07-19-2012, 05:20 PM
My argument is similar-what nation would be offended by the moment of silence, as the Munich terrorists were not affiliated with any official nation? Furthermore, the moment of silence is honoring dead athletes. It is not condemning all muslims, so why should muslims be offended?
I was a kid when this happened, but I remember how shocked everyone was-parents, teachers (when school started a few weeks later), pretty much everyone was affected. That was back in the day before Grandpa discovered his jewish heritage, so I also remember his anti-Israel comments.
07-20-2012, 12:07 AM
Many of them will not even permit a Jew to enter their borders
but the IOC needs to get behind this. And every Arab/Muslim nation needs to support in it a "yes, we do not condone terrorism" kind of way.The Obama Administration: Deny. Deflect. Blame.
07-20-2012, 02:47 AM
If the murdered athletes were any other nationality or race this wouldn't even be a question so yes, I would say this is driven by antisemitism. The lack of courage by IOC is not surprising.We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it....
07-20-2012, 08:29 AM
Meanwhile, it would be nice if the Obama administration weighed in on the side of decency for once.
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