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  1. #1 Don't shoot the messenger 
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    When Columbine happened I went... this has to finally click.

    Nope.

    When Tucson happened, same thing.

    When Virginia tech happened, well you get the picture.

    I expect to have reasonable laws SOMEDAY... but that will only happen only after shootings, mass casualty shootings, become such a new normal that people finally get it. Mostly because they get tired of it.

    Chalk it to years in the streets as a medic, but Columbine horrified me... this... not really, not anymore... and I know now a lot more of these incidents will occur, before we, as a people, finally get it.

    And no, this does not mean I want to grab your guns... but when we cannot even have a civilized discussion on background checks at the local gun show... well then... this is the result, and we will get more of then, more often... until politicians say enough is enough, and citizens say enough is enough. Until then, welcome to the new normal.

    Of course politicians may also over react and increase the security state, but hey... it would be a consequence of this.

    My question now, should I go watch a movie at a movie theater or just wait for it to come out in DVD and rent it? And no, that is not a question in jest. What other places should I avoid, unless the job requires it? Again, not kidding... but if this is the new normal, one has to adjust to the new normal. I am reminded of the conversations I had with Israelis, who avoided things like Pizza shops after they became well... targets...

    By the way, getting it also means taking mental health seriously. It also means taking things like what some of our radio shock jocks say seriously as well.

    Yup, if I could, at times I wish I could leave this insane asylum... which is what at times the country is starting to resemble.
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    nadi has been on the roll with all these ramblings....but this lil' gem pops up:

    nadinbrzezinski (106,468 posts)
    36. Been in a few shoot outs myself

    And it could work
    zappaman (5,446 posts)
    45. "Been in a few shoot outs myself"

    OH
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    Union Scribe (2,967 posts)
    49. ...

    I know right? And I love how she's turned yet another tragedy into a series of humble-brag "I me my" posts.
    Lets just paint some happy clouds over at the sunshine and lollipop land
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    zappaman (5,446 posts)
    17. Disgusting accusation!
    The poster you are replying to is not a "scaredy-cat".
    In fact, they are an ex-cop, former firefighter, veteran of the armed forces and a sometimes EMTer.
    Suffice it to say, they are very very brave and charge in where others flee.
    Please edit your post to reflect this.
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    52. and indiana jones. you forgot indiana jones.
    OK group, fess up. Who is the mole "zappaman"
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    nadinbrzezinski is full of crap about gun shows and required background checks. Where she lives a background check is necessary for all gun sales. In California you can not even sell a pistol to a friend in a private sale without a background check and having it registered to you.
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    I'd wait for facts and a time-line before I start hurling laws, but that's just me...


    Now, reports state that Mom, when contacted, said; "You have the right guy." Is there a history of mental illness that was hidden, so as not to "stigmatize"?


    Hmmmm? Seems like Mom knew something that others should've been made aware of....
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    I expect to have reasonable laws SOMEDAY... but that will only happen only after shootings, mass casualty shootings, become such a new normal that people finally get it. Mostly because they get tired of it.
    Here come the gun grabber idiots. We have multiple laws regarding guns, to date I don't believe a single criminal has complied. We have laws against speeding also, as far as I know, people still speed. I suppose it's the car's fault?
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    I expect to have reasonable laws SOMEDAY
    We had reasonable laws against stuff like this but thanks to liberals, some states did away with the death penalty and in a few of the states that have it, the appeals system makes it near impossible to carry out sentence. Because of this and because of the fact that American prisons for the most part are Club Med vacation spots compared to some other countries, going to prison is not a deterrent to crime. If it were, recidivism wouldn't be what it is today. Once upon a time you were properly punished for taking the life of another without cause or provocation. Now, you're given a room, food, medical care, education, all the exercise you want, etc. Jail is no longer punishment. It's a vacation from the real world.
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    Columbine...Tuscon...Va Tech and what happened on Friday could have been stopped almost immediately by one person carrying a firearm for personal protection.

    The very thing these idiot gun grabbers want to take away from us...is the one thing we have that can stop tragedies like this.
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    Think about this; taking the 2 amendment makes it easier to take away the 1st.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    Columbine...Tuscon...Va Tech and what happened on Friday could have been stopped almost immediately by one person carrying a firearm for personal protection.

    The very thing these idiot gun grabbers want to take away from us...is the one thing we have that can stop tragedies like this.
    Exactly. I don't often carry, but it always gives me pause to enter places that ban CCW guns, because it's like a neon sign saying "If you're a crazed gunman, we got a shooting range for you!"

    And as far as Columbine goes, Nads, the death toll would've been a damned sight lower if the 'First responders' with all the pricey tactical crap had made an aggressive entry instead of waiting around for a few hours until all the wounded victims bled out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumbAss Tanker View Post
    Exactly. I don't often carry, but it always gives me pause to enter places that ban CCW guns, because it's like a neon sign saying "If you're a crazed gunman, we got a shooting range for you!"

    And as far as Columbine goes, Nads, the death toll would've been a damned sight lower if the 'First responders' with all the pricey tactical crap had made an aggressive entry instead of waiting around for a few hours until all the wounded victims bled out.
    Myself as well......I wonder if the theatre was a "gun free" establishment.......CCW is legal in Colorado......

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