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  1. #1 A Hungry World Population? Oh Well, Let Them Eat Ethanol! 
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    A Hungry World Population? Oh Well, Let Them Eat Ethanol!

    …Here come the corn riots.

    Climate change policies—much more than the vagaries of climate–are now beginning to create the instabilities that cooler heads have been warning about for years.

    Corn prices on the Chicago Board of Trade are now at or near record levels, around $8.30 per bushel for spot delivery. The rise in recent weeks has been dramatic, driven by the perception of declining yields caused by hot and dry conditions mainly in the upper Midwest.

    Much of this corn is beyond redemption as grain. High temperatures render corn’s pollen sterile, and the narrow pollination season—usually around ten days in a given field—dictates that once this time has passed, there’s likely to be very few kernels set on each ear. While rain may allow the plant to recover, its value as feed is dramatically reduced.

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    Which brings us to ethanol. It comes from corn. The amount to be produced is a mandate, not a choice. It’s 13.2 billion gallons this year. Last year we burnt up 40% of our crop. This year, given the expected yield reductions, we could easily destroy over half of our corn.

    The U.S. is by far the world’s largest producer, and our abundant supply is a major factor in keeping the price of the world’s most abundant feed and food grain low—generally around $3.00/bushel. That was before George W. Bush decided that the answer to global warming was to produce ethanol from corn. Hence the rise in corn price that commences with the 2007 passage of the ethanol mandates, followed soon by global food riots. $8.00 corn today will likely bring much more of the same.

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    Of course, there is little chance that the disproportionately influential farm lobby is going to swallow changing the ethanol mandate when its constituents are making money hand-over-fist because of an artificially induced shortage. It’s also an election year. But, isn’t it just too bad about those poor people in Mexico and around the world who actually will suffer for the insanity and depravity of our agricultural/environmental policy?

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    Every single problem in the world today is man made. If governments got out of the job of mandating minutiae, we, the world at large, could build and feed ourselves just fine.
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    Why Are Republicans Supporting the Farm Bill?

    You’re watching a cable news show one night and see some of the GOP freshmen House members, part of the 2010 “shellacking” President Obama experienced, telling the audience that the nation needs smaller government, free markets, less spending, and greater transparency. The next thing you know the same Republicans are sponsoring and signing onto the new Farm Bill. There’s something wrong with this picture.

    The agricultural bills of both chambers of Congress are meant to do two things that fly against conservative principles. First, about 80% of the Farm Bill is about funding the food stamp program over the next ten years. Needless to say, the cost to taxpayers for the food stamp program has doubled during the Obama presidency, and is now up to $78 billion annually.

    When the Senate was debating its version of the bill, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-South Carolina) observed that, compared to 2008 levels, the new farm bill will increase spending by 60%. The hike is due to the fact that the new bill incorporates the Obama administration’s baseline spending into entitlement spending forever.

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    It sounds like the letter sent by Reps. Noem and Welch is saying that big farmers and ranchers should have certainties that the rest of the private sector does not have. Should the government provide insurance for all entrepreneurs and businesses so that risk is not a factor in their enterprises?

    The fact that Noem has joined in with Democrats who have resisted significant cuts in food stamp spending in order to push through the new non-transparent crop insurance and price support programs leaves us with one big piece of legislation that caters to special interests. The fact that many of the primary agricultural states are Republican states, led by Republican governors, leaves support of the Farm Bill by Republicans pretty high up on the hypocrisy scale.

    A more constructive task for Rep. Noem, and other House Republicans, would be to work out a way to disentangle the food stamp program from the agricultural policies, and then begin to promote free market principles in agriculture. Limited government intervention and the free market are what Republicans are saying they believe in; it’s time to start putting the plan into action, even if it means being unpopular in some spheres.

    Republicans have to stick to their principles, and we, the people, have to do our part. A list of the House members supporting the Farm Bill is here. Please contact your representative and tell him or her not to bring the Farm Bill to the floor of the House during this Congress.

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    I suspect the Farm Bill is supported largely out of ignorance. Not much goes to farms, farmers, research, or improvement of lands.

    This pie chart from the CatoInstitute shows a nice comparison in spending to which programs.

    http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/handy...oney-is-spent/



    I am not advocating not feeding the hungry. But, I am willing to bet it could be done a lot more efficiently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
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    I am not advocating not feeding the hungry. But, I am willing to bet it could be done a lot more efficiently.
    And far more transparently.
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    The only reason people are starving in certain countries is because their government is withholding food and other resources from them.
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    Electric cars are the cars of the future. In another decade or so, they will have all the faults worked out and we'll have affordable, convenient and fast electric cars.


    Use corn to feed people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    Electric cars are the cars of the future. In another decade or so, they will have all the faults worked out and we'll have affordable, convenient and fast electric cars.


    Use corn to feed people.
    Unfortunately you are incorrect......you simply cannot repeal the laws of Physics, and cars powered by batteries will never be practical for most Americans......they are ancient technology......a waste of effort and resources, except for a few hippies and urban-dwellers who don't drive farther than a few miles daily.

    Vehicles powered by fuel cells, small fission reactions, and other means yet to be developed are the cars of the future. Relying on stored electric energy, without a powerplant of some kind to instantly replenish that energy isn't going to be the ultimate, or even the usable answer. Even the Chevrolet "Volt" has a gasoline engine.......if it didn't they would never sell any at all.

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    Ethanol was exposed as a scam a long time ago by the left wing publication Mother Jones!

    It creates more polution to produce a gallon of ethanol then it does to make and use gasoline. The good news is, there is no TAX at the pump on ethanol, so oil companies love it...as they collect on every gallon sold. http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-241.html

    Ethanol is also being made from Sugar Cane.
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    End of Ethanol
    Critics take aim at tax breaks for ethanol subsidies

    Once heralded as the key to kicking America’s foreign oil addiction by Republicans and Democrats alike, ethanol’s political fortunes have faded and the industry’s future is unclear amid a growing chorus of critics.

    The industry lost more than $6 billion in annual tax breaks along with a valuable import tariff when Congress declined to renew the subsidies at the end of last year. Several trade groups are now attacking ethanol’s last federal redoubt: The Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS), which mandates oil producers blend a certain amount of ethanol with traditional gasoline.

    “I won’t say this is the end of the [ethanol] mandate, but the momentum has been swinging against the industry and its lobby for a good year, and a variety of other lobbies are continuing to press the attack on a variety of fronts, making this a moment of great vulnerability for ethanol,” auto industry analyst Edward Niedermeyer told the Free Beacon in an email.

    The National Council of Chain Restaurants recently touted a study prepared for it by PricewaterhouseCoopers reporting the federal ethanol mandate costs each restaurant $18,000 a year because of the higher food prices. >>>

    AAA argued consumers haven’t been properly informed about the fuel, which can damage engines on older vehicles. >>>

    The Renewable Fuels Association (RFA), one of the leading trade groups for biofuels, was quick to strike back. >>>

    The industry faces pressure from the left as well. Environmentalists have long opposed ethanol, arguing it is folly to use a valuable foodstuff such as corn for fuel.

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    The current Regime wants switch from E10 to E15. The unspoken outcome of the subsidized ethanol fiasco is the rise in food prices world wide. The rise in world food prices was a leading instigator in the so called Arab spring. First ethanol. Next ... the CAFE standards. And light bulbs. After that, Democrats and their enablers, the Rinos in 2014.

    And btw... ethanol is booze. Most of your flavoring is imparted after distillation through aging and barreling. It's exactly the type of distillate that we find palatable and relatively non-toxic. Careful temperature control at the still head allows for the removal of methanol and various other non helpful substances. Maybe all those ethanol factories can be re-tooled to produce booze - we're going to need a lot in the next 4 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janice View Post
    And btw... ethanol is booze. Most of your flavoring is imparted after distillation through aging and barreling. It's exactly the type of distillate that we find palatable and relatively non-toxic. Careful temperature control at the still head allows for the removal of methanol and various other non helpful substances. Maybe all those ethanol factories can be re-tooled to produce booze - we're going to need a lot in the next 4 years.
    Amen...........

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