Meanwhile, read what intelligent people have to say on the subject.
After three years of delay, that trial was finally held, and on December 3, 1996, Judge Kevin Chang ruled that the refusal of the State of Hawaii to grant marriage licenses to same-sex couples violated the Hawaii State Constitution, and that the state had failed to demonstrate a “compelling state interest” that could justify this “discrimination.”
LINK....See Nova, unlike you, I actually back up what I post with links from an unbiased source.MARRIAGE
Section 23. The legislature shall have the power to reserve marriage to opposite-sex couples. [Add HB 117 (1997) and election Nov 3, 1998]
Looks like your so-called "intelligent people" aren't so smart after all.
The issue isn't whether you've suffered, but whether your demands are valid. To answer that, we have to ask if that makes gay marriage (a) a good idea for the rest of the culture and (b) a critical offset to your prior suffering? As I've repeatedly argued (without referencing religious arguments), the redefinition of marriage to encompass things which it was never meant to be will open the floodgates to all manner of pernicious changes to marriage and culture. The fairness arguments apply equally to polygamy, incest and every other form of "marriage" that someone might want to indulge in. It becomes one of a long string of attacks on marriage that began when the various socialist movements recognized that socialism would be resisted by stable families that expected rational property rights and saw children as their own, rather than the state's. It's no coincidence that every leftist movement in history has demanded free love, abortion on demand, collective childcare, single motherhood, abnormal family arrangements and the rest of the left's social agenda. Destroy the family and you destroy the structure that raises self-sufficient adults. Destroy marriage and you destroy the family. So, the answer to the first question is, no, gay marriage, as another nail in the coffin of marriage, is not good for the culture as a whole. That leaves the second question, whether it is of value as remedy for past discrimination, and since we have demonstrated that it will be destructive to the culture as a whole, it will therefore have significant negative impacts to the subcultures, including yours. That makes it a poor compensation for prior injustices, unless you are seeking revenge. Are you?
What the hell have they done to your mind at Belvoir?
Hey Nova, still waiting for the links to unbiased sources for your claims in post #17.....or are they, like everything else you believe in, a total crock of shit? I'm going to go with the latter because, if you did have links to what you've claimed, I'm sure you would post them.
Seriously Nova you make this too easy.Seriously? Give me a list of leftist movements demanding abortion on demand.
The Democrat Party of America
National Organization for Women
Please tell me you're not trying to claim "gay" as an ethnic minority?I'd say that it's much more normal to persecute an ethnic minority, especially one which holds on to an exotic culture while taking up residence in the country of another nation.
Like?We celebrate historical figures who had many wives and concubines. We celebrate historical figures who married siblings, nieces, and cousins.
Obviously sharpened it to a point where you're unable to keep up with his logical train of thought.What the hell have they done to your mind at Belvoir?
So by that line of thinking...there's no compelling state interest to allow them to discriminate against me if I want to marry a goat?To date, no American government has justified its discrimination in the law; no government has proven a compelling state interest.
What I don't get is this. Gay men have a stereotype of thin, neat, affluent, and sensitive. Why wouldn't I want to remove them from my dating pool? Go ahead, get married. The more gay men the better. Makes it easier for fat insensitive slobs like me to get a date! Just sayin'
If every man was gay but me... it would be good times.
- Green Party
- Planned Parenthood
- Communist Party of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (the Soviets had the highest per capita abortion rate in the world)
- Communist Party of the People's Republic of China (Not just on demand, but on command of the state)
- National Organization of Women
- The Democratic Party
- The United Nations
- International ANSWER
- People for the American Way
- EMILY's List
- Alan Guttmacher Institute
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