08-19-2012, 01:50 AM
Christians fleeing IraqWEDNESDAY, MARCH 14, 2012Sectarian violence targeting Christians in Iraq has caused hundreds of thousands of them to flee their homes and homeland since 2003, when the U.S.-led invasion ousted Saddam Hussein. According to international estimates, Iraq’s prewar Christian population of between 800,000 and 1.4 million has dwindled to fewer than 500,000. Their numbers continue to decline: frightened by assassinations and bombings, Christians are fleeing safe havens where they once sought refuge in the Kurdistan region of northern Iraq.
Christian-owned liquor stores have been the target of arson attacks, a Christian businessman was kidnapped in the Kurdistan capital of Erbil and several others gunned down in another village, the New York Times reported.
Many of Kurdistan’s Christian population gave up homes and possessions to seek safety there after an October 2010 suicide attack on a Christian church in Baghdad killed more than 50 people. Yet they face intimidation, bombings and threats in the north. The International Organization for Migration has been tracking 1,350 displaced Christian families in northern Iraq. In January, it said that 850 of them had left in the prior year.
The Kurdish government offers assistance such as land and free fuel, and Christians are allotted seats on local governing councils as well as in parliament in Kurdistan and Baghdad. But that is not enough for those such as Walid Shamoon, who gave up a $1,500-a-month job at the Australian Embassy to flee Baghdad in January 1011 after an attempt on his life. “This is not a life. There is no improvement. There is no work,” he said. He wants to emigrate to Arizona.
The withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq has also removed some of the protection for religious minorities. Security, though, is not the only reason for the exodus: it is driven also by a lack of work and poor living conditions.
In a recent report, the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom said, “The consequence of this flight may be the end of Christianity in Iraq.” As Christians flee, Iraq is losing part of its spiritual and cultural heritage
This is typical of Islamic governance. In every country where Sharia law has been adopted, religious minorities end up persecuted out of existence.
Again, this was completely predictable to anyone who knew the history of Islam and its interactions with any other culture. The sad thing is that anyone in the State Department who would have been willing to say this would have been fired on the spot.--Odysseus
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08-19-2012, 02:28 AM
That's right. It's happening in Iraq as well. There's a Dutch report of Christians being crucified. Tied to trees with ropes, then nailed and the ropes set afire. The report I saw mentioned the poster seeing one victim who survived and viewing the nail holes in his wrists.
If this is the Arab Spring, I wonder what the Arab Winter will bring?The poster formerly known as chuck58 on the old board.
08-19-2012, 09:51 AM
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It truly amazes me that in this day & age, in the 21st century, that human beings still act this way, that they decide to make every one else's lives a living hell because of something some goddam books says. Bunch of fucking unenlightened, unevolved, barbaric neanderthals.
Meanwhile in America, we like to bitch about tax returns and chicken sandwiches.
08-19-2012, 01:23 PM
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Wow! O Blow Hard must be pleased. He actually had a hand in bridging Christianity and izlam.Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil.
C. S. Lewis
Do not ever say that the desire to "do good" by force is a good motive. Neither power-lust nor stupidity are good motives. (Are you listening Barry)?:mad:
08-19-2012, 02:16 PMI notice this is the Muslim Brotherhood behind this. Same group that attacks Israel. I also notice that Iraq, who also voted for an Islamic government isn't having this problem. What are your thoughts about that?
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Iraq is having violence problems. Have you not read the papers lately?
Wave of attacks rumbles across Iraq, killing 59
BAGHDAD—Insurgents in Iraq unleashed a relentless wave of attacks from before dawn until late at night Thursday, killing 59 people and wounding many more in a deadly show of force aimed at undermining the government's authority.
The bomb and shooting attacks made for the country's deadliest day in more than three weeks, rattling nerves as families prepared to gather for a holiday weekend. More than 150 people have been killed in violence across the country since the start of August, showing that insurgents led by al-Qaida's Iraqi franchise remain a lethal force eight months after the last U.S. troops left the country.
Five of the attacks accounted for more than half of the casualties.
A morning car bomb in Baghdad's northeastern and mostly Shiite neighborhood of Husseiniyah killed seven people and wounded 31.
That's just the most recent...from two days ago. But you keep thinking that there's no problem in Iraq.
Not to mention that the Caledonian Christians have been persecuted almost into extinction in Baghdad.
8/16/2012 Iraq (Opposing Views) – Mosul is now one of the most violent cities in Iraq with Christians and other minorities often targets of the violence.
As a result, thousands of Christians have left the Iraqi city since 2003 when U.S. forces deposed Saddam Hussein. The war triggered a wave of continuous violence in the second largest city in Iraq.
Before 2003, Mosul was home to 75,000 Christians. Approximately 70 percent belonged to the Chaldean Church, while the rest were Syriac Orthodox and Catholic. Now approximately 25,000 Christians live in Mosul, which has a population of 2 million. Many more Christians live in the surrounding Nineveh province.
Dr. Carl Moeller, Open Doors USA President/CEO, labels the attacks against Christians in Mosul and all of Iraq as "religicide." He states: "Christians in cities like Baghdad and Mosul are gripped by terrorism. They are fleeing in droves. Today it was reported that at least 20 people died in blasts and shootings across the country.
"With the spotlight currently on Syria, Nigeria and Afghanistan and the pullout of U.S. troops from Iraq last December, Iraq has been placed on the back-burner. But we as Christians in the West must continue to pray for our brothers and sisters in Iraq, who face extinction if we don't pray and advocate for them."
What about the fact that Egypt has a long history of persecution. Know that pic of the pyramids somebody presented in another thread where Obama said "You didn't build that?" First thing I wanted to say to that was "No, they didn't build that. Jewish slaves probably did." So what was the reason for their behavior then?
It just seems like no matter what government they have, it's bad.
08-19-2012, 03:14 PM
To be fair to Lanie, the MSM doesn't cover Iraq death by death like they did when Dubya was in charge. I'm surprised Afghanistan is getting any ink at all.
Just saw breaking news (AP) that another US troop was killed in Afghanistan by an Afghan trainee. It's happening a lot.
Us leaving Iraq gave way to the freedom to kill non-muslims unfettered.Good men sleep peaceably in their beds at night because
rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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08-19-2012, 08:25 PM
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This guy told me about how things started going bad when they took prayer out of schools. I reminded him it was Christian prayers that got taken out. He suggested that schools have students divide up into groups according to religion so they could pray and study. It was all a lie? Really? Why do extremists like the Muslim Brotherhood get to speak for all Muslims?
Muslims started getting violent after the rise of Islam because people had it in their head to kill the Muslims in the area. I would have fought back too.
08-19-2012, 08:53 PM
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Not to mention Ody's claiming Islam was always evil and that Christianity somehow made Egypt better. My gosh, any country Christians ruled way back when was persecutive. You realize neither one of us would have survived a Christian middle aged country, right? There's no way. Most of us would be dead. By contrast, Muslims did allow other monotheistic religions so long as they didn't try to rise up to get power. Not enlightened by our standards, but back then it meant something.
08-19-2012, 09:32 PM
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Basically it's Iran 1979 all over again.
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