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    Obscure federal agencies triggered a firestorm of conspiracy theories this week after they put out orders for thousands of rounds of deadly hollow-point bullets.

    But the agencies, most recently the Social Security Administration, are trying to put a damper on the speculation -- noting the ammunition is "standard issue" and simply used for mandatory federal training sessions.

    "Our special agents need to be armed and trained appropriately," said a message on the official blog for Social Security's inspector general office explaining the purchases.

    The bullet purchases drew widespread attention as the website Infowars.com published several stories on them that were linked off the widely read Drudge Report and other sites. Infowars.com catalogued a string of recent purchases -- first by the Department of Homeland Security, then by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and then the Social Security Administration.

    The Social Security Administration solicitation, posted Aug. 7, called for 174,000 rounds of ".357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition."

    Infowars.com speculated that the purchases were being made in preparation for "civil unrest," imagining a scenario of economic collapse where seniors could cause "disorder" if denied their Social Security benefits.

    But the Social Security Administration statement, posted Thursday, noted that their agents need firearms and ammo in the course of training, investigations and responding to threats against offices and employees.

    "As we said in a recent post, our office has criminal investigators, or special agents, who are responsible for investigating violations of the laws that govern SSA's programs," the office said.

    The agency said it has 295 special agents across 66 offices in the country. "These investigators have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests," the statement said.

    As for concern about the type of bullets -- hollow points, which expand upon impact -- the statement said the type is "standard issue" and is used during "mandatory quarterly firearms qualifications and other training sessions."

    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA, found itself scrambling to respond to a similar report this week about an order for 46,000 rounds of ammo. Though the agency initially indicated it was for the National Weather Service -- leading to questions about why the National Weather Service could possibly need so many bullets -- a spokesman clarified the bullets are actually meant for the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement. A "clerical error" resulted in the order saying the ammo was for the weather service.

    Spokesman Scott Smullen said the error's been fixed in the bidding system. He, too, said the ammo is "standard issue" and will be used by 63 enforcement personnel at NOAA during qualifications and training sessions.

    "NOAA officers and agents enforce the nation's ocean and fishing laws to ensure a level playing field for fishermen and to protect marine species like whales, dolphins and turtles," he said.

    According to NOAA, the specialized agents are supposed to have 200 rounds in their "duty bag," and qualification and training requires another 500-600 rounds per agent.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...mmo-purchases/

    I don't read infowars but apparently they were correct about these agencies purchasing this ammo, as to their accuracy concerning it's intended use I put nothing past our current government.
    That said I still cannot stand reading Alex Jones material or listening to him.
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    The Social Security Administration solicitation, posted Aug. 7, called for 174,000 rounds of ".357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition."

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    But the Social Security Administration statement, posted Thursday, noted that their agents need firearms and ammo in the course of training, investigations and responding to threats against offices and employees
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    The agency said it has 295 special agents across 66 offices in the country. "These investigators have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests," the statement said.


    174000 / 295 = 590 bullets per agent

    I'm assuming the social security administration doesn't have a lot of weapon discharges in the line of duty, so the bulk of that has to be intended for training and target practice. Thats about 11 per week. Plausible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m00 View Post
    The Social Security Administration solicitation, posted Aug. 7, called for 174,000 rounds of ".357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition."

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    But the Social Security Administration statement, posted Thursday, noted that their agents need firearms and ammo in the course of training, investigations and responding to threats against offices and employees
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    The agency said it has 295 special agents across 66 offices in the country. "These investigators have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests," the statement said.


    174000 / 295 = 590 bullets per agent

    I'm assuming the social security administration doesn't have a lot of weapon discharges in the line of duty, so the bulk of that has to be intended for training and target practice. Thats about 11 per week. Plausible.
    What do you think of every federal agency having the permission to kill you if need be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    What do you think of every federal agency having the permission to kill you if need be?
    Well you know where I stand on that one! We've seen a massive curtailing of civil liberties since the tail end of the Clinton administration. We're in the process of becoming a police state. The most annoying thing about liberals to me (and how I know liberals are full of shit) is that Obama has been 10 times worse than Bush on this, and liberals wont say a damn thing about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m00 View Post
    Well you know where I stand on that one! We've seen a massive curtailing of civil liberties since the tail end of the Clinton administration. We're in the process of becoming a police state. The most annoying thing about liberals to me (and how I know liberals are full of shit) is that Obama has been 10 times worse than Bush on this, and liberals wont say a damn thing about it.
    and yet many Libertarians like you think sitting out the next election or voting for a spoiler is a viable option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    and yet many Libertarians like you think sitting out the next election or voting for a spoiler is a viable option.
    Well, at least Romney didn't screw up his VP pick. That's something. Ryan is probably the least retarded candidate to end up on either ticket in the last several elections.

    I think the viable option at this point is scaring the RNC enough that there will be a spoiler so they actually get serious about small government / personal freedoms. We talked about that in the other thread... you think Romney cares that a federal agent working for the SS administration can arrest you? Clearly not. He could HAMMER Obama on civil liberties if he wanted to. Why doesn't he?

    Obama broke every single campaign promise on freedoms and liberty. I went back and checked the youtube speeches from the last election to be sure. It would be so easy to make a campaign ad now from that.

    Really, all Romney really has to do to get my vote is convince me he is serious about shrinking the federal government, and restoring the liberties lost under Obama, and then restoring the liberties lost under Bush, and then talk about the completely retarded legislation Clinton signed at the tail end of his last term (such as the DMCA). Are these things so incompatible with the Republican platform?

    Ive been paying attention. I paid attention when Romney said he would "repeal or REPLACE obamacare." Replace with what?


    But check this out:

    I was reading an article -- I will try to dig it up if you will actually read it -- that talked about an Obama plan to exempt multi-national corporations from US laws, and instead they would be under international jurisdiction (I think I book marked it on one of my machines, it was so outrageous) and I thought to myself... this is it... I have to vote for Romney.

    At the end of the article it said Romney also supported the measure.

    Why would he do that?! Stuff like that... makes it hard to vote for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m00 View Post
    Well, at least Romney didn't screw up his VP pick. That's something. Ryan is probably the least retarded candidate to end up on either ticket in the last several elections.

    I think the viable option at this point is scaring the RNC enough that there will be a spoiler so they actually get serious about small government / personal freedoms. We talked about that in the other thread... you think Romney cares that a federal agent working for the SS administration can arrest you? Clearly not. He could HAMMER Obama on civil liberties if he wanted to. Why doesn't he?

    Obama broke every single campaign promise on freedoms and liberty. I went back and checked the youtube speeches from the last election to be sure. It would be so easy to make a campaign ad now from that.

    Really, all Romney really has to do to get my vote is convince me he is serious about shrinking the federal government, and restoring the liberties lost under Obama, and then restoring the liberties lost under Bush, and then talk about the completely retarded legislation Clinton signed at the tail end of his last term (such as the DMCA). Are these things so incompatible with the Republican platform?

    Ive been paying attention. I paid attention when Romney said he would "repeal or REPLACE obamacare." Replace with what?


    But check this out:

    I was reading an article -- I will try to dig it up if you will actually read it -- that talked about an Obama plan to exempt multi-national corporations from US laws, and instead they would be under international jurisdiction (I think I book marked it on one of my machines, it was so outrageous) and I thought to myself... this is it... I have to vote for Romney.

    At the end of the article it said Romney also supported the measure.

    Why would he do that?! Stuff like that... makes it hard to vote for him.
    Not voting for him would be cutting off the limb you are sitting on......that is if your sitting on the limb.............or are even in the same tree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Not voting for him would be cutting off the limb you are sitting on......that is if your sitting on the limb.............or are even in the same tree.
    If i vote for Romney and he doesn't repeal Obamacare (or he replaces it with something else that is similar), he grows the deficit as much as Obama (or more) , and shrinks our civil liberties as much as Obama (or more), and submits us to international authority as much as Obama (or more)... will I get a personal and public apology from you on this board if ANY of these things happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m00 View Post
    If i vote for Romney and he doesn't repeal Obamacare (or he replaces it with something else that is similar), he grows the deficit as much as Obama (or more) , and shrinks our civil liberties as much as Obama (or more), and submits us to international authority as much as Obama (or more)... will I get a personal and public apology from you on this board if ANY of these things happen.
    Why sit and wonder m00 do what your heart wants you to do, don't take a chance, just throw your vote for Obama and say dam, that will teach the RNC.
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    Somebody take Mr. Ificanthavepaulilltakemydollyandgohome, I'm getting bored, the old whack the turntable because the needle is sticking reflex is coming back.
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