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    Quote Originally Posted by gator View Post
    There won't be much of a show.

    Many of the stupid assholes that love Israel more than America have left to start their own CU spin off site. That way they don't have to worry about being challenged on things they cannot defend very well.

    Weak minded dickwads like their own little echo chambers where they can spout their anti Americanism to their heart's desire and never have to worry about moral clarity.
    Your talking about Free Republic....:D
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    Pollard should have been executed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    Washington Report on Middle East Affairs June/July 1997, pgs. 19-20
    Anniversary of a 30-Year Investigation USS Liberty: Periscope Photography May Finally Reveal Truth
    http://www.washington-report.org/bac...97/9706019.htm
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    Great find Megimoo! Gator may not have had time to read it, but it has some very interesting details. I'd be interested on his take on this article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by du freeper View Post
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    Great find Megimoo! Gator may not have had time to read it, but it has some very interesting details. I'd be interested on his take on this article.
    I actually read it and you are right, there are some interesting comments in it.

    The trouble is that LBJ ordered everybody to clam up and because of it we will probably never learn the complete truth. I trust the Moorer Commission report. All the signatures to the report are above reproach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by du freeper View Post
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    Great find Megimoo! Gator may not have had time to read it, but it has some very interesting details. I'd be interested on his take on this article.
    Here's a bit more on what ever game LBJ was playing with Israel !

    LBJ, Israel & the USS Liberty Massacre

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    "The White House knew within minutes of the USS Liberty attack, that the perpetrator was really Israel. On two separate occasions, the White House recalled aircraft rescue missions for the Liberty. On the last attempt, LBJ told Rear-Admiral Lawrence Geis of the Sixth Fleet, “I WILL NOT EMBARRASS OUR ALLY.” The Liberty was then left “dead in the water,” without any assistance for over 16 hours."


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    On June 8, 1967, the Israelis attacked the USS Liberty, in international waters, 13 miles off the coast of the Sinai Peninsula, and tried to sink it, and kill all 294 American on board the spy ship (“Assault on the Liberty,” James M. Ennes, Jr. and James Bamford’s “Body of Secrets.”) The Israelis then falsely claimed it was just a case of “mistaken identity.”

    However, according to Peter Hounam, the author of the expose’, “Operation Cyanide,” the murderous Israeli attack was a set up to blame the Egyptians and bring the U.S. into the 1967 war on their side. The Liberty was a “sitting duck” for the Israeli jet planes’ missiles and rockets and their torpedo boats. The attack lasted at least 75 minutes, killing 34 brave Americans and wounding 172 others. Liberty survivor, Petty Officer Ernie Gallo, said, “I mean for a group of people, who are suppose to be the children of God, (the Israelis), they didn’t show any mercy for us.”

    Both Captain Ward Boston, an ex-Navy attorney, who participated in a Court of Inquiry, with respect to the Liberty, and Admiral Thomas Moorer, a former Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chief of Staff, (who recently died), believe that President Lyndon Baynes Johnson ordered a massive “cover-up” after the attack by the Israelis (10/23/03, CBSNews.com.)

    On first hearing of the Liberty attack by allegedly “unidentified aircraft,” the U.S. launched planes from the Sixth Fleet carriers, then located in the Mediterranean, off Crete, armed with nuclear weapons. They were headed for Cairo to retaliate. Only minutes before reaching their target, they were recalled. Why? The Israelis had failed to sink the Liberty! The Zionist predators had mistakenly believed U.S. planes were also on their way to rescue the Liberty, so they were forced to stop their assault. Only then, did they admit to the U.S., that they were the culprits.

    According to Hounam’s research, the White House knew within minutes of the Liberty attack, that the perpetrator was really Israel (p. 94). On two separate occasions, the White House recalled aircraft rescue missions for the Liberty. On the last attempt, LBJ told Rear-Admiral Lawrence Geis of the Sixth Fleet, “I WILL NOT EMBARRASS OUR ALLY.” The Liberty was then left “dead in the water,” without any assistance for over 16 hours. (See also, an excellent documentary of the same title by the BBC and affidavits and statements found at USSLiberty.org.)

    At pp. 267-268, Hounam said, “Sinking the Liberty and blaming Egypt and the Soviets would have freed Johnson’s hand to do almost anything - even to drop an atomic bomb on Cairo. Trouble only arose when the Israel operation failed - and the damned ship stayed afloat.”

    Hounam revealed that within LBJ’s hawkish administration, there was shadowy clique that met under the rubric of the “303 Committee.” Richard Helms, the late CIA Director, said that entity was, “A device for examining covert operations of any kind and making a judgment on behalf of the President, so he wouldn’t be nailed with the thing, if it failed.”

    Out of the “303 Committee,” came a project labeled, “Frontlet 615,” which was furthered defined as, “A secret political agreement in 1966 by which Israel and the U.S. had vowed to destroy (Egypt’s Gamal Abdel) Nasser.” The military name for the operation was, “Operation Cyanide.” The U.S. also had a draconian plan, entitled, “Condition November,” a strategy for a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the Soviet Union. All of the above ended up being interwoven into the tragic saga of the Liberty.

    LBJ was an extremely ambitious man, who was, in 1967, seeking reelection. The Vietnam War was going badly for him and his popularity was plummeting. He had surrounded himself with Zionist zealots, like the late Walter Rostow, his Special Assistant for National Security Affairs.

    Here is how Hounam described Rostow, “A sinister, Svengali-like figure, or simply the biggest and best fixer? Of all the people in Johnson’s entourage, he was crucial in determining which way the U.S. might respond to the threatened hostilities in the Middle East... Rostow was a hawk who believed in the justness of the Vietnam War and, as a Jew, his Zionism was strongly felt and expressed...(He) had daily contact with the President. This gave him especially close access.” He had acquired enormous influence running the committee (303 Committee) that sanctioned covert operations by the CIA. He also knew in taking Israel’s side on most issues he was playing to the President’s tune. He described Johnson as the ‘most pro-Semitic man’ he had ever met.” Rostow was also an “advisor” to LBJ when he used the phony “Gulf of Tonkin Resolution,” in 1964, to launch the U.S. into the disastrous Vietnam War.

    Just imagine for one moment, if an individual dedicated to putting America’s interests first - before the interests of the Zionists - had been the U.S. President on June 8, 1967. Instead of recalling our aircrafts that were on their way to rescue the Liberty, he (or she) would have ordered them to continue on their mission, not only to defend the Liberty and to stop the massacre, but to retaliated against the Zionist aggressors by bombing their naval base at the port of Ashdod, their military headquarters at Tel Aviv and Haifa, and for good measure, dropping a few MX missiles on Dimona, their secret nuke-making plant, located in the Negev desert. If, only?

    http://usa.mediamonitors.net/headlin...berty_massacre
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    This is why I rail at Gator's vitriol to Israel for this incident. Yes, Israel was involved and did the dirty work, but I believe, and most evidence leads to the conclusion, that there was foreknowledge on the part of the LBJ administration to this operation.

    The Moorer Commission report is not impeccable and the names are certainly not above reproach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by du freeper View Post
    This is why I rail at Gator's vitriol to Israel for this incident. Yes, Israel was involved and did the dirty work, but I believe, and most evidence leads to the conclusion, that there was foreknowledge on the part of the LBJ administration to this operation.

    The Moorer Commission report is not impeccable and the names are certainly not above reproach.
    What the hell are you talking about? A Marine Medal of Honor Awardee and and a Chairman, Joint Chief of Staff??? These men were out of the influence of the pro Israel lobby.

    I think the Isralis did it on purpose and the evidence is very clear on that. I think that LBJ covered it up to protect the Israelis due to the pressure of the pro Israeli lobby. Moorer thinks so also. The US is just as much to blame for giving the Israelis a pass as anybody. I hope LBJ rots in hell because of it.

    While these things are true I have seen nothing, other than what you posted, to suggest it went farther than a cover up by LBJ.

    CAPITOL HILL, WASHINGTON, D.C.
    OCTOBER 22, 2003

    ADMIRAL THOMAS H. MOORER, UNITED STATES NAVY, (RET.)
    FORMER CHAIRMAN, JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF

    GENERAL RAYMOND G. DAVIS, UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS, (MOH)*
    FORMER ASSISTANT COMMANDANT OF THE MARINE CORPS

    REAR ADMIRAL MERLIN STARING, UNITED STATES NAVY, (RET.)
    FORMER JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL OF THE NAVY HH

    AMBASSADOR JAMES AKINS, (RET.)
    FORMER UNITED STATES AMBASSADOR TO SAUDI ARABIA


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    Captain Boston's Affidavit
    Commonly Asked Questions about USS Liberty
    Who are the Commissioners of this Independent Investigation?

    We, the undersigned, having undertaken an independent investigation of Israel�s attack on USS Liberty, including eyewitness testimony from surviving crewmembers, a review of naval and other official records, an examination of official statements by the Israeli and American governments, a study of the conclusions of all previous official inquiries, and a consideration of important new evidence and recent statements from individuals having direct knowledge of the attack or the cover up, hereby find the following: **

    1. That on June 8, 1967, after eight hours of aerial surveillance, Israel launched a two-hour air and naval attack against USS Liberty, the world�s most sophisticated intelligence ship, inflicting 34 dead and 172 wounded American servicemen (a casualty rate of seventy percent, in a crew of 294);

    2. That the Israeli air attack lasted approximately 25 minutes, during which time unmarked Israeli aircraft dropped napalm canisters on USS Liberty's bridge, and fired 30mm cannons and rockets into our ship, causing 821 holes, more than 100 of which were rocket-size; survivors estimate 30 or more sorties were flown over the ship by a minimum of 12 attacking Israeli planes which were jamming all five American emergency radio channels;

    3. That the torpedo boat attack involved not only the firing of torpedoes, but the machine-gunning of Liberty�s firefighters and stretcher-bearers as they struggled to save their ship and crew; the Israeli torpedo boats later returned to machine-gun at close range three of the Liberty�s life rafts that had been lowered into the water by survivors to rescue the most seriously wounded;

    4. That there is compelling evidence that Israel�s attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew; evidence of such intent is supported by statements from Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA director Richard Helms, former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret.), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter; former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Major General John Morrison, USAF (Ret.); and former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967;

    5. That in attacking USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against American servicemen and an act of war against the United States;

    6. That fearing conflict with Israel, the White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of USS Liberty by recalling Sixth Fleet military rescue support while the ship was under attack; evidence of the recall of rescue aircraft is supported by statements of Captain Joe Tully, Commanding Officer of the aircraft carrier USS Saratoga, and Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, the Sixth Fleet carrier division commander, at the time of the attack; never before in American naval history has a rescue mission been cancelled when an American ship was under attack;

    7. That although Liberty was saved from almost certain destruction through the heroic efforts of the ship�s Captain, William L. McGonagle (MOH), and his brave crew, surviving crewmembers were later threatened with �court-martial, imprisonment or worse� if they exposed the truth; and were abandoned by their own government;

    8. That due to the influence of Israel�s powerful supporters in the United States, the White House deliberately covered up the facts of this attack from the American people;

    9. That due to continuing pressure by the pro-Israel lobby in the United States, this attack remains the only serious naval incident that has never been thoroughly investigated by Congress; to this day, no surviving crewmember has been permitted to officially and publicly testify about the attack;

    10. That there has been an official cover-up without precedent in American naval history; the existence of such a cover-up is now supported by statements of Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN (Ret.), former Judge Advocate General of the Navy; and Captain Ward Boston, USN, (Ret.), the chief counsel to the Navy�s 1967 Court of Inquiry of Liberty attack;

    11. That the truth about Israel�s attack and subsequent White House cover-up continues to be officially concealed from the American people to the present day and is a national disgrace;

    12. That a danger to our national security exists whenever our elected officials are willing to subordinate American interests to those of any foreign nation, and specifically are unwilling to challenge Israel�s interests when they conflict with American interests; this policy, evidenced by the failure to defend USS Liberty and the subsequent official cover-up of the Israeli attack, endangers the safety of Americans and the security of the United States.

    WHEREUPON, we, the undersigned, in order to fulfill our duty to the brave crew of USS Liberty and to all Americans who are asked to serve in our Armed Forces, hereby call upon the Department of the Navy, the Congress of the United States and the American people to immediately take the following actions:

    FIRST: That a new Court of Inquiry be convened by the Department of the Navy, operating with Congressional oversight, to take public testimony from surviving crewmembers; and to thoroughly investigate the circumstances of the attack on the USS Liberty, with full cooperation from the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency and the military intelligence services, and to determine Israel�s possible motive in launching said attack on a U.S. naval vessel;

    SECOND: That every appropriate committee of the Congress of the United States investigate the actions of the White House and Defense Department that prevented the rescue of the USS Liberty, thereafter threatened her surviving officers and men if they exposed the truth, and covered up the true circumstances of the attack from the American people; and

    THIRD: That the eighth day of June of every year be proclaimed to be hereafter known as

    USS LIBERTY REMEMBRANCE DAY, in order to commemorate USS Liberty�s heroic crew; and to educate the American people of the danger to our national security inherent in any passionate attachment of our elected officials for any foreign nation.

    We, the undersigned, hereby affix our hands and seals, this 22nd day of October, 2003.

    Thomas H. Moorer
    Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff


    General of Marines Raymond G. Davis, USMC, MOH*


    Merlin Staring
    Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN, Ret.,
    Former Judge Advocate General of the Navy,


    James Akins
    Ambassador James Akins, Ret.,
    Former United States Ambassador to Saudi Arabia,
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    Quote Originally Posted by gator View Post
    What the hell are you talking about? A Marine Medal of Honor Awardee and and a Chairman, Joint Chief of Staff??? These men were out of the influence of the pro Israel lobby.

    I think the Isralis did it on purpose and the evidence is very clear on that. I think that LBJ covered it up to protect the Israelis due to the pressure of the pro Israeli lobby. Moorer thinks so also. The US is just as much to blame for giving the Israelis a pass as anybody. I hope LBJ rots in hell because of it.

    While these things are true I have seen nothing, other than what you posted, to suggest it went farther than a cover up by LBJ.
    Then like the rest of the American public, you choose to ignore the facts. A Medal of Honor does not make one a saint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by du freeper View Post
    Then like the rest of the American public, you choose to ignore the facts. A Medal of Honor does not make one a saint.
    No, not a saint but sure as hell a patriot who wouldn't cover up a thing thik this !
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    Quote Originally Posted by du freeper View Post
    Then like the rest of the American public, you choose to ignore the facts. A Medal of Honor does not make one a saint.
    No but it says you have honor and a love for America. When coupled with the job of being the Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps it says that if you put your name to something it is pretty well good to go.

    If you want to be lieve that it was all a set up by LBJ then God Bless you. You are entitled to your opinion.

    My belief is that the Israelis attacked the Liberty on purpose and LBJ screwed America by giving the Israelis a pass on it. That is bad enough.
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