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    by James Muñoz / KENS 5
    VICTORIA, Tx. -- The Secret Service is looking into a sign posted in Victoria, Texas.

    The sign says "Pray for Obama", but it's the scripture quoted below those words that is raising eyebrows: Psalms 109:8.

    Psalms 109:8 reads, "Let his days be few, and let another take his office."

    Milton Neitsch Jr., who has lived in Victoria since 1961, says he didn't intend for people to pick up on the hateful wishes of death and pain surrounding the tiny verse.

    But some people say it is hateful and inappropriate. They say it misuses the holy scripture and it must come down.

    Neitsch recently received an email from a friend and decided to post it on his advertising billboard along North Navarro Street. He had no idea the firestorm of controversy it would create.

    "Pray for the president. He needs it," said Neitsch.

    When asked what the sign means, Neitsch responded, "Exactly what it says. Hope he's gone soon and somebody different takes his place."

    Reverend Amy Danchik started a petition demanding Neitsch take down the sign. They've since met and Neitsch and agreed to replace the billboard.

    "He shared with me a little about some of the threats that have come at his family, which is incredibly inappropriate, and in no way helpful and in no way how we're called to react when we disagree with somebody," said Danchik. "So I hope that those stop. I hope that people will react with the graciousness that he has reacted with and leave his family alone."

    Neitsch says he is also getting plenty of support. He said he might replace the sign with something like, "Vote for the American", a sign that would no doubt stir emotion, while leaving the word of God to the experts.

    Code enforcement in the City of Victoria says they don't review the content of signs. They said they would only get involved if the sign affected traffic.
    http://www.kens5.com/news/Secret-Ser...168045356.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    The sign says "Pray for Obama", but it's the scripture quoted below those words that is raising eyebrows: Psalms 109:8.

    Psalms 109:8 reads, "Let his days be few, and let another take his office."

    That's racist!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unreconstructed Reb View Post
    That's racist!!!!!!!!!!!!
    It is only racist as long as we have a black (Liberal) President. If obama was a Republican, all the MSM, and MSNBC, would be praising the man who did it, calling him a hero of free speech.

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    I wonder who the female pastor of the church that complained is voting for?

    It all stinks like BS to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    The sign says "Pray for Obama", but it's the scripture quoted below those words that is raising eyebrows: Psalms 109:8.

    Psalms 109:8 reads, "Let his days be few, and let another take his office."

    Milton Neitsch Jr., who has lived in Victoria since 1961, says he didn't intend for people to pick up on the hateful wishes of death and pain surrounding the tiny verse.

    But some people say it is hateful and inappropriate. They say it misuses the holy scripture and it must come down.
    Not only do "some people" say that it is hateful, but the author of the article goes them one better, by citing the "hateful wishes of death and pain" that undoubtedly motivate all non-liberals. This is a textbook example of media bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobJohnson View Post
    I wonder who the female pastor of the church that complained is voting for?

    It all stinks like BS to me.
    Female pastor? I don't agree with that.

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    It's a messed up "prayer"when put in context of the rest of the verse. It does disservice to The Bible, too, by trying to claim the verse is something it's not.

    "May his days be few;
    may another take his place of leadership.

    9 May his children be fatherless
    and his wife a widow.
    10 May his children be wandering beggars;
    may they be driven[a] from their ruined homes.
    11 May a creditor seize all he has;
    may strangers plunder the fruits of his labor.
    12 May no one extend kindness to him
    or take pity on his fatherless children.
    13 May his descendants be cut off,
    their names blotted out from the next generation.
    14 May the iniquity of his fathers be remembered before the Lord;
    may the sin of his mother never be blotted out.
    15 May their sins always remain before the Lord,
    that he may blot out their name from the earth."

    It's not a simple prayer for a change of leadership. It's a prayer for a leader's death and for his family to suffer. Taking a Biblical verse out of context, lying and claiming it's simply a prayer for a change of leadership, is disrespectful to the Bible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASquareDealer View Post
    It's a messed up "prayer"when put in context of the rest of the verse. It does disservice to The Bible, too, by trying to claim the verse is something it's not.

    "May his days be few;
    may another take his place of leadership.

    9 May his children be fatherless
    and his wife a widow.
    10 May his children be wandering beggars;
    may they be driven[a] from their ruined homes.
    11 May a creditor seize all he has;
    may strangers plunder the fruits of his labor.
    12 May no one extend kindness to him
    or take pity on his fatherless children.
    13 May his descendants be cut off,
    their names blotted out from the next generation.
    14 May the iniquity of his fathers be remembered before the Lord;
    may the sin of his mother never be blotted out.
    15 May their sins always remain before the Lord,
    that he may blot out their name from the earth."

    It's not a simple prayer for a change of leadership. It's a prayer for a leader's death and for his family to suffer. Taking a Biblical verse out of context, lying and claiming it's simply a prayer for a change of leadership, is disrespectful to the Bible.
    It doesn't fit him well either, he never labored a day in his life.
    may strangers plunder the fruits of his labor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    It doesn't fit him well either, he never labored a day in his life.
    True.

    I just don't think that the line was used innocently. I'd imagine the person who first put the verse up there also read the verses which followed. If so, that makes them very fucked up.

    It is one thing to disagree with a President, to think he's a moron etc, but to pray for his death is something really disrespectful to the office....Even if I hate a President's policies, the President is still my President from the day they're inaugurated until the day they exit the office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASquareDealer View Post
    It's a messed up "prayer"when put in context of the rest of the verse. It does disservice to The Bible, too, by trying to claim the verse is something it's not.

    "May his days be few;
    may another take his place of leadership.

    9 May his children be fatherless
    and his wife a widow.
    10 May his children be wandering beggars;
    may they be driven[a] from their ruined homes.
    11 May a creditor seize all he has;
    may strangers plunder the fruits of his labor.
    12 May no one extend kindness to him
    or take pity on his fatherless children.
    13 May his descendants be cut off,
    their names blotted out from the next generation.
    14 May the iniquity of his fathers be remembered before the Lord;
    may the sin of his mother never be blotted out.
    15 May their sins always remain before the Lord,
    that he may blot out their name from the earth."

    It's not a simple prayer for a change of leadership. It's a prayer for a leader's death and for his family to suffer. Taking a Biblical verse out of context, lying and claiming it's simply a prayer for a change of leadership, is disrespectful to the Bible.
    Why don't you read the whole thing instead of a few lines.

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