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    Ann Kane and M. Catharine Evans

    30 years ago, Ronald Reagan called for the termination of the Department of Education. But instead of disappearing, the Jimmy Carter creation has become a federal leviathan with no signs of abating in growth.

    Reagan's Secretary of Education Terrell H. Bell thwarted Reagan's and the Christian right's plan to do away with the cabinet level bureau. Bell, an educator by profession, was instrumental in publishing a report on the national status of our schools. Bell had the National Commission on Excellence in Education, which he created in 1981, prepare a document in 1983 called "A Nation at Risk: The Imperative for Educational Reform."

    Like a small pebble tossed into a pond sends out many ripples, A Nation at Risk--through fear-inducing rhetoric and a call for more government intervention into traditional states' rights--set off a movement in education which could not be stopped. Whether Bell took this action to save his job, or whether he differed ideologically with Reagan doesn't matter now. The genie was let out of the bottle and we've paid a high price for allowing the Department of Education to have too much power.

    From A Nation at Risk:

    ...the educational foundations of our society are presently being eroded by a rising tide of mediocrity that threatens our very future as a Nation and a people...If an unfriendly foreign power had attempted to impose on America the mediocre educational performance that exists today, we might well have viewed it as an act of war...We have even squandered the gains in student achievement made in the wake of the Sputnik challenge. Moreover, we have dismantled essential support systems which helped make those gains possible. We have, in effect, been committing an act of unthinking, unilateral educational disarmament. [...]

    They [1982 Gallup Poll of the Public's Attitudes Toward the Public Schools] also held that education is "extremely important" to one's future success, and that public education should be the top priority for additional Federal funds.

    The commission's major imperatives were much the same as we have in the education reform movement now: the appeal for non-traditional teachers, more federal funding and heavier emphasis on science and technology studies as opposed to "general track courses."

    Although the report duly outlined the problems of lackluster educational outcomes, it had a detrimental effect on allowing the states to determine their own educational policies. Thus, the DoED's job description continued to grow. What once had been an office which simply collected national statistics on school children's academic performance now has become a bureaucratic boondoggle.

    As a result, we've gone from a fiscally and socially conservative president who campaigned on getting the federal government out of education to a socialist president who has allotted $102 billion of stimulus funds for education reforms and who has overseen an increase in the DoED budget from $32 billion in 2009 to $71 billion in 2011.

    Back in 1996, Republicans were calling for the department's dissolution again. Bob Dole campaigned on the plank the same as Reagan had, but after his defeat, the message eventually became watered down. Take for example the two GOP platforms from 1996 and 2012.

    From 1996 in the section "Improving Education" reads:

    "The Federal government has no constitutional authority to be involved in school curricula or to control jobs in the market place. This is why we will abolish the Department of Education, end federal meddling in our schools, and promote family choice at all levels of learning."


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    It would be the first one axed under the JB Administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    It would be the first one axed under the JB Administration.
    Followed by the EPA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Followed by the EPA?
    Scaled down EPA. I don't actually believe that DuPont won't pollute our waters if no one is watching.

    ATF is gone though.
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    I wouldn't ax it per-say. But really, how many branches, departments and so forth are there of the Dept. of education? Condense them down into one or two. Limit them to more of an oversight. Do some serious reforming to them.

    Same with the EPA. Fire about half or more there. Put a competent person in-charge. And put in place rules that say they listen to congress first, not make up rules they want. I don't care for how the EPA operates now, but that is because the left has filled it with Eco wackos for years.

    ATF? I really don't have issues with them. Some reforming maybe, but most of them is due to Holder and his corrupt DoJ.
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    Every time the Dept. of Education is mentioned I wonder "What does it do?"

    Here's what they say they do:

    ABOUT ED: OVERVIEW AND MISSION STATEMENT

    ED's mission is to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access.

    ED was created in 1980 by combining offices from several federal agencies. ED's 4,400 employees and $68 billion budget are dedicated to:

    Establishing policies on federal financial aid for education, and distributing as well as monitoring those funds.
    Collecting data on America's schools and disseminating research.
    Focusing national attention on key educational issues.
    Prohibiting discrimination and ensuring equal access to education.


    Let's look at those objectives.

    Establishing policies on federal financial aid for education, and distributing as well as monitoring those funds.



    OK, this has Mississippi written all over it. Perhaps there needs to be some mechanism to ensure that places like Mississippi won't cripple their school systems behind low taxes or skewed priorities. So develop a formula for how much is need and disperse it. Since there are only fifty states and a handful of assorted territories, I think four people could handle this.

    Collecting data on America's schools and disseminating research.



    Let colleges do that. They love writing papers and doing studies.

    Focusing national attention on key educational issues.

    You mean like trying to teach in sixteen different languages? Easy: fuck that. This is fluff and we don't need federal employees to do this.

    Prohibiting discrimination and ensuring equal access to education.

    That's what legislatures and state boards of education are for. If they fail, then we have the courts. We don't need federal bureaucrats to do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    Scaled down EPA. I don't actually believe that DuPont won't pollute our waters if no one is watching.

    ATF is gone though.
    EPA, gone,I would hire a handful of extra people and let the dept of the interior handle it.

    ATF would be closed and the FBI could handle it, Homeland security would become part of FBI also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    It would be the first one axed under the JB Administration.
    A GenWhy? Administration would make many people happy.

    So long to:

    1. DoE
    2. DHS
    3. TSA
    4. EPA
    5. FDA
    6. Department of the Interior
    7. Department of Commerce
    8. Department of Agriculture
    9. ATF
    10. DEA
    11. HUD
    12. USDA
    13. FCC
    14. The criminalization of marijuana


    Just saved a lot of money.

    With that said, yes the Department of Education should go. Let the states deal with it. Simple things in life...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Generation Why? View Post
    A GenWhy? Administration would make many people happy.

    So long to:

    1. DoE
    2. DHS
    3. TSA
    4. EPA
    5. FDA
    6. Department of the Interior
    7. Department of Commerce
    8. Department of Agriculture
    9. ATF
    10. DEA
    11. HUD
    12. USDA
    13. FCC
    14. The criminalization of marijuana


    Just saved a lot of money.

    With that said, yes the Department of Education should go. Let the states deal with it. Simple things in life...
    I agree with most of your list, but I would reform the EPA and FDA but keep them to narrow missions. Just like we *do* need some level of federal security apparatus (although nowhere near how large it is today), I think it makes sense to protect people from dirty air/water (polluting water tables, pumping garbage into the air) and it also makes sense to protect people from contaminated baby milk formula (China recently had a huge scandal with this).

    The agencies I really don't like are the ones that protect us from non-threats, or the ones that protect us from ourselves. Dept of Education comes to mind, especially because most states have their own state-level DoE. If we really want statistics on how different states' educations rank up at a national level, there are probably private corporations that we can just contract that work to. Its in each state's best interest to have good education programs, because good education means skilled labor/talent which attracts jobs to the area. Also, middle class parents want to work in areas with public schools which is further incentive. So I don't understand what the DoE is supposed to even do.

    From Wikipedia: The primary functions of the Department of Education are to "establish policy for, administer and coordinate most federal assistance to education, collect data on US schools, and to enforce federal educational laws regarding privacy and civil rights."

    The ONLY thing in this mission which is remotely valid to justify government involvement is enforcing privacy and civil rights, but you don't need a cabinet level department for this.
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