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    The following headline actually appeared at Gawker Friday: "Born This Way: Sympathy and Science for Those Who Want to Have Sex with Children."

    The article, written by Gawker West Coast editor Cord Jefferson, was even worse (emphasis added throughout):
    In an ABC News article from 2003, a corrections officer from Los Angeles told reporter Michael S. James that imprisoned pedophiles "usually don't make it" without protective custody. Leslie Walker, a prisoner's rights activist, told James, "[Child sex offenders] are at risk of being murdered, having their food taken, having their cells defecated and urinated in. Their life is truly a living hell." Good, most people will say. But there is a growing number of researchers, many of them out of Canada, whose work suggests that pedophilia is an illness deserving of the public's sympathy the way any brain disorder is. Some of the scientists say pedophilia is a sexual orientation, meaning that it's unchangeable, regardless of how much jail time or beatings or therapy someone is dealt. Others have reason to believe that pedophiles are born that way, and that some of them will suffer through entire lives without hurting a single child. If this research proves to be correct, it should help shape both our public policy and our public attitude, so that we're protecting kids while also protecting pedophiles from angry mobs, cellmates, and themselves.
    That bears repeating: "[P]edophilia is an illness deserving of the public's sympathy...pedophilia is a sexual orientation."

    Scary stuff. But it got worse:
    Currently, there is no significant longitudinal evidence that pedophiles can be made to not be attracted to children, and thus it can be defined as their orientation. And if pedophilia is a sexual orientation, that also means it's futile to send pedophiles to prison in an effort to alter their attractions. Doing so is akin to sending a homosexual child off to a religious-based institution that claims it can "pray the gay away."
    Yes, the article really said "it's futile to send pedophiles to prison in an effort to alter their attractions."

    But there was still more:
    Imagine a world in which admitting your attraction to busty women or tall men led to alienation, jail time, or your murder. Older gay men can probably remember such an era, but nowadays most sexual appetites have been mainstreamed to the point of banality. Pedophiles, for obvious reasons, don't enjoy the same kind of tolerance, and thus it seems as if they may be locked forever in a sexual prison from the moment they're born.
    Isn't it a shame that pedophiles "don't enjoy the same kind of tolerance?"

    But the worst was still yet to come:
    The old adage is that the true mark of a society is how it treats the weakest in its ranks. Blacks, women, Latinos, gays and lesbians, and others are still in no way on wholly equal footing in America. But they're also not nearly as lowly and cursed as men attracted to children. One imagines that if Jesus ever came to Earth, he'd embrace the poor, the blind, the lepers, and, yes, the pedophiles.
    Jesus would embrace pedophiles? Not according to Poor Richard's News:
    [H]ow ignorent of the Bible can you be if you’re suggesting Jesus would “embrace the pedophiles”?

    Matthew 18: 6: “But whoever causes the downfall of one of these little ones who believe in Me—it would be better for him if a heavy millstone were hung around his neck and he were drowned in the depths of the sea!"

    Jesus died for the forgiveness of sin, not the embrace of it. The Bible is very clear that while all sins can be forgiven, Jesus never ever embraces the sin itself. He made no bones about the punishment for harming a child.
    No matter how preposterous this Gawker editor's views, we learned in the very next sentence how someone could actually think this way.

    "As a self-professed 'progressive.'"

    That's all you needed to know, isn't it?
    Reading this story was like watching a car wreck. I couldn't look away even though it was horrible.
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    This whole thing is a confused. Let me break it down...

    1. You probably can't change the fact pedophiles will always be attracted to children. But last I checked we don't send people to jail for thought crimes.
    2. You CAN correct behavior, and you CAN fairly punish behaviour. Last I checked what separates human beings from other animals is the ability to control our instincts.
    3. Whether or not pedophilia is a sexual orientation is immaterial, other than the degree to which it helps society correct and prevent individuals from acting out their sexual urges.
    4. All the above being said, we should probably do what we can to limit the abuse of all inmates at the hands of other inmates. If the goal is to correct the behaviour, this isn't helping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m00 View Post
    This whole thing is a confused. Let me break it down...

    1. You probably can't change the fact pedophiles will always be attracted to children. But last I checked we don't send people to jail for thought crimes.
    2. You CAN correct behavior, and you CAN fairly punish behaviour. Last I checked what separates human beings from other animals is the ability to control our instincts.
    3. Whether or not pedophilia is a sexual orientation is immaterial, other than the degree to which it helps society correct and prevent individuals from acting out their sexual urges.
    4. All the above being said, we should probably do what we can to limit the abuse of all inmates at the hands of other inmates. If the goal is to correct the behaviour, this isn't helping.
    The best way to correct a pedophiles behavior is a bullet between the eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    The best way to correct a pedophiles behavior is a bullet between the eyes.
    So if you institute the death penalty for child molestation, won't that encourage molesters to kill children? Because it's DP either way? Same reason you don't want the DP for rape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m00 View Post
    So if you institute the death penalty for child molestation, won't that encourage molesters to kill children? Because it's DP either way? Same reason you don't want the DP for rape.
    As a victim of that... You have no idea of the pain that we go through, the possibilities stripped away, the life destroyed...Would death be prefferable(sp?)? Even to this day I ask myself that.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by m00 View Post
    So if you institute the death penalty for child molestation, won't that encourage molesters to kill children? Because it's DP either way? Same reason you don't want the DP for rape.
    I'm for banning any sick fucker who comes over here wanting to some how justify pedophilia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    I'm for banning any sick fucker who comes over here wanting to some how justify pedophilia.


    Right... because asking whether as a matter of policy we should institute the death penalty for non-murder crimes (rape, molestation, etc), because it will drastically lower the survival rate of the victims is EXACTLY THE SAME as justifying pedophilia. Way to fail reading comprehension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    The best way to correct a pedophiles behavior is a bullet between the eyes.
    I can agree with that...
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    I don't think that this...
    Matthew 18: 6: “But whoever causes the downfall of one of these little ones who believe in Me—it would be better for him if a heavy millstone were hung around his neck and he were drowned in the depths of the sea!"
    is taken in the right context, as to the real meaning, of the verse. What I was taught, was that was meant to be the newborn in Christ, not literal children... (FlaGator?)


    Don't anyone even think, for a second, that I accept, condone, or agree with pedophilia... I DO NOT, PERIOD!
    As far as I'm concerned, let the sick bastards rot in a cesspool



    So Nova, is what we've been saying sinking in yet? Or are you STILL in denial, that "gay-rights" are not a slippery slope?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache View Post
    I don't think that this...
    is taken in the right context, as to the real meaning, of the verse. What I was taught, was that was meant to be the newborn in Christ, not literal children... (FlaGator?)



    Don't anyone even think, for a second, that I accept, condone, or agree with pedophilia... I DO NOT, PERIOD!
    As far as I'm concerned, let the sick bastards rot in a cesspool



    So Nova, is what we've been saying sinking in yet? Or are you STILL in denial, that "gay-rights" are not a slippery slope?
    Since Christ was using a child as the example I believe He was talking about literal children, but it could be applied to both.

    Also you are correct about the slippery slope. Once one deviant behavior has been redefined as morally acceptable then the door has been opened for all of them. Each can make the case that they have been born with these desires and cannot defile their nature by ignoring their feelings

    It is a sham and a lie.

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