09-11-2012, 11:02 PMGovernment is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem.
We could say they are spending like drunken sailors. That would be unfair to drunken sailors, they're spending their OWN money.
09-11-2012, 11:28 PM
Apache you're absolutely correct that the verse quoted doesn't literally mean children, it means young Christians.
In a couple of places (I Cor and Romans) Paul talks about causing a brother to sin or stumble, that would have been more appropriate here (because using sex for evil is obviously a sin and any unwilling partner is being forced into something sinful).
I'm sorry for what happened to you.Good men sleep peaceably in their beds at night because
rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
Real superheroes don't wear capes. They wear dog tags.
09-12-2012, 10:30 AM
I think the original article is wrong to state that pedophelia is a sexual orientation. It is a psychological disorder, but not one that is wholly a genetic condition.
Although the vast majority of children who were sexually abused grow up to not be pedophiles, pretty much every pedophile was molested as a child. So there's one contributing factor, that perhaps put the idea in the person's head to begin with. There are other factors that affect impulse control, both physical and psychological, like a head injury, or a personality disorder.
Modern psychologists will tell you that there is no way to treat pedophelia. Some tried in the 60s and 70s to no avail, but there is hope that if you catch a sex offender (you can't label someone a pedophile when they are raping children in their own age range) before puberty and treat him or her, you can change the behavior. Incarceration for life is the only way to deal with it short of the death penalty. Whoever came up with the idea that pedophelia is just another sexual orientation is trying to normalize it, which is sick. Or else they are trying to tie pedophelia to actual sexual orientation by gender to connect GLBT people with pedophiles, but in this case, I suspect the former.
09-12-2012, 11:28 AM
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It's insane and dishonest to somehow equate this with "defending" pedophilia. It's about protecting the victims from being murdered on top of everything else.
09-12-2012, 12:53 PM
Also you are correct about the slippery slope. Once one deviant behavior has been redefined as morally acceptable then the door has been opened for all of them. Each can make the case that they have been born with these desires and cannot defile their nature by ignoring their feelings
It is a sham and a lie.Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
09-12-2012, 12:59 PMNever argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
09-12-2012, 01:06 PM
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Your premise is flawed for one simple reason. Pedophiles are not in it for murder. I don't have the statistics, but I would say the vast majority of sexual crimes against children do not result in a murder. You saying that they would murder because of the punishment is absurd because their impulse is sexual sadism not homicide.
09-12-2012, 01:16 PM
I don't think you are defending pedophiliac scumbags. I personally don't support the death penalty for any crime, including this. I think the better argument against it is that children will be more afraid to identify family members who abuse them because they are afraid that person will face the death penalty-they have mixed feelings for people who are also their fathers, uncles or cousins. Families will sometimes shun the victimized child for the perp, especially if the victim is a female and the perp is someone who is employed, or has some kind of "beloved" status within the family. We aren't talking about normal family dynamics here.
Additionally, there always have been and always will be some offenders who are more violent, and/or more sociopathic than others. Both have tended to kill their victims, whether to avoid identification (a sociopathic move) or during the course of the abuse (impulsive violence against a child who is fighting back, or ruptured internal organs from the abuse itself). The possibility of facing the death penalty for murder has never stopped them from killing their victims.
09-12-2012, 02:50 PM
Mat 18:1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, "Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"
Mat 18:2 And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them
Mat 18:3 and said, "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 "Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me,
Mat 18:6 but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
Mat 18:7 "Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes!Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
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