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    As of this morning I have come to believe that our response to WTC bombing was incorrect. We should model ourselves after the Borg or Michael Corleone depending upon which you can relate to. Our mistake is in hating our enemy, not because of some biblical platitude, but as a matter of logic and tactical finesse.

    We should have simply ignored the WTC bombing. Yes, people died. On the bright side it got rid of those godawful skyscrapers marring the New York skyline. By our response, we have taught the Muzzies that they can drive us crazy and cost us more money and liberty than WWII in a matter of minutes. Down the road, we would exact payment for what was done, but did we do that? No, we spent money. We sacrificed liberty.

    But I take responsibility for what I wanted and what I said on 9-11. I said, "Today I am glad that Al Gore didn't win. Today, I want bombs dropped on (Islam)."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    Hardly. The CIA has been right in the middle of all of this. We even backed those rebels who did this. I beg you to do some research and see just how involved they have been.
    So involved that they failed to see this coming and issue any warnings.

    Just like they didn't see 9/11 coming.

    Just like they missed Saddam's WMD program and their plans to invade Kuwait.

    Just like they didn't see....aww hell they've been wrong and blind more times than they've been right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    So involved that they failed to see this coming and issue any warnings.

    Just like they didn't see 9/11 coming.

    Just like they missed Saddam's WMD program and their plans to invade Kuwait.

    Just like they didn't see....aww hell they've been wrong and blind more times than they've been right.
    Then it would probably be a good idea to get the little bastards under control wouldn't it?


    Look, I know fully well that I will never convince any of you that it is more than we hate "freedom". You will believe what you wish to believe. Are there those in Islam that hate western freedom?...... Yeah probably a bunch. But not enough to cause the type turmoil the M.E. is in. But if you add in another element, such as the perception real or unreal that the west is encroaching.....and you deny that encroaching into sphere's of influence doesn't exacerbate it, and help recruit against the West, then we are going to keep seeing the same thing happen over and over and over.


    It's just not good foreign policy and it will eventually be our undoing. A strong National Defense has nothing to do with projecting everywhere. I'm far more concerned with our debt, economy and brothers in arms in harms way for Iraqis and Afghanis who could care less and eventually turn into Jihadists, than I am for a bunch of Muslims in caves.

    I think it's a crappy religion and full of violence and backwards practices. But I am also not scared to death of it like a lot of you are, and believe that we can't take care of the wack jobs without occupying every podunk Islamic state on earth.

    Get our selves energy independant and off of M.E oil.

    The day we find something better than petroleum is the day we leave those rat holes and let those idiots go back to living in Caves and drawing on walls.
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    And, we're seeing similar attacks in Yemen, as well. If we were smart, we'd evacuate the rest of the embassy staff in those three countries before COB today. The Friday afternoon prayers are going to be a vicious exhortation to violence, and unless the local governments intervene, the subsquent attacks will be an order of magnitude greater than what we have seen. State needs to pull those people into secure locations immediately, or they will be killed.

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    Drudge has a photo on the front page of the terrorists carrying Ambassador Steven's body down the street.

    The monsters posted it to Facebook.
    There's video elsewhere. KGS Nightwatch mentioned it in their overnight, which I'll post below.

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    The Marines are denying any Marines were killed in Benghazi. My understanding is that our consulate was ... get this: depending upon the Libyan security forces to protect the consulate. :livid:

    Egypt is a whole different story. When I'm king, Marines at embassies will have live rounds at all times with standing orders to plug anyone who comes over a wall. I can only assume that the MSD was pulled back with the rest of the embassy personnel, because otherwise, that can only mean that those Marines were there in that embassy compound and were ordered not to engage people as they invaded our sovereign turf. And of the latter is the case, then boy do I ever feel for those Marines. I can't imagine anything more disheartening than to have to be a Marine standing there watching this go on and not be able to respond.
    Again, Nightwatch discussed this. The ambassador to Egypt was apparently selected based on her well-practiced dhimmihood.

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    Or we could not be in MENA that way the Muslims only have each other to kill...
    You really don't understand the issues at all, do you? The last time that I checked, the WTC was nowhere near the Middle East. In 2000, we provided over $100 million in emergency food aid to Afghanistan. Despite this, they provided safe haven to Bin Laden and al Qaeda while they plotted and executed the 9/11 attacks, and continued to do so despite our threat to invade. This isn't about local politics, although the local power brokers do benefit from the jihad, it's about a totalitarian death cult that has remarkable similarities to communism and Nazism, and represents a similar threat. Simply withdrawing from the world will not end that threat, but will encourage its adherents and make them bolder. Our existence as a free, non-Muslim people is our affront to them, and we cannot put enough distance between us to protect us from their hate.
    We cannot defeat them by running and hiding, or paying tribute, and if we do not defeat them, then they will surely defeat, subjugate and destroy us.


    KGS Nightwatch's take on the events:

    Egypt-US: The day after the storming of the US Embassy, all day and night on 12 and 13 September, mainstream media aired footage of obviously unemployed Egyptian young men gathering and milling near the US Embassy in Cairo. A single security vehicle was imaged making an occasional and completely feckless foray through the gathering area, during the early morning of 13 September in Cairo. No Egyptian police or military or other security personnel were present.

    Comment: The normal time for organized, violent Muslim protests is Friday afternoon, after prayers. Muslim Brotherhood leaders already have called for "non-violent" anti-US protests on Friday after prayers. Readers should expect more anti-US protests and no Egyptian security forces. The unemployed and the underemployed in Cairo are amusing themselves by protesting in the name of Islam over just about anything they think is offensive. Much larger and dangerous protests are likely after the miscreants are infused with Islamic fervor after Friday prayers. Had the Mursi government begun to deliver on its promises of more jobs, theoretically, the unemployed and under-employed youth would have been asleep in anticipation of going to work. The unemployment rate for men under 35 is about 50%. It is a negative commentary about the job creation accomplishments of the Mursi government to date that so many men have nothing to do in Cairo but vent their frustrations. In Egypt there is no penalty for destroying a foreign embassy, but criticism of President Mursi is a criminal offence. That explains why Egyptian men would judge they could attack the US embassy, when their real target should have been the Mursi government. The protestors said, in paraphrase, that they understand the US has freedom of speech; the US needs to understand that they have freedom of action. Theirs is a claim to justify lawlessness granted by the Mursi government as long as the violence is not turned against Mursi. What is important is that the Mursi government has not denounced the violence. The US and the US president are vowing to bring justice to the killers in Libya, but the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood government has made no comment or apology. Instead, Mursi's reaction is to urge the US to punish the US filmmaker.

    Comment: There is only a trailer of the film, no film yet, Mursi has not seen it nor have most of the protestors in Egypt and Libya. The riots are flash mobs, arranged and manipulated by others.

    NightWatch Special Comment: Ambassador Anne Patterson's April Glaspie moment. Ambassador Anne Patterson, the US Ambassador to Egypt, experienced her 'April Glaspie' moment yesterday when she blamed Americans instead of Egyptians for attacking, storming and desecrating the US Embassy in Cairo and the US Flag. Old hands will remember, April Glaspie, who was a rising star in the State Department's constellation of diplomats. Her notorious conversation with Saddam Hussein in early 1990 led Saddam to believe that the US encouraged and condoned an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Having worked closely with US officials for a decade in the struggle and war against Iran, Saddam understood that everything after the Glaspie talk was plausible deniability by US President Bush, 41. Glaspie misunderstood and misjudged the Iraqi leadership and the situation in Iraq. Patterson's operations at the US Embassy in Cairo bespeak a comparable misjudgment of the Egyptian Arab situation, its volatility and the depth of anti-American sentiment. She did not permit US Marine guards to carry live ammunition, according to USMC blogs. Thus she neutralized any US military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy. In this respect, she did not defend US sovereign territory and betrayed her oath of office. She neutered the Marines posted to defend the embassy, trusting the Egyptians over the Marines. She apparently judges that Egyptian President Mursi spearheads a democracy and a new civil order, despite the mounting evidence that Mursi disregards US interests, cavorts with US enemies, is a budding authoritarian ruler who disdains parliament and does not honor the basic obligations of diplomatic agreements and the Geneva conventions. Readers, by definition, whenever an embassy of any country is overrun by locals in any country, everyone knows that the ambassador and senior staff must be replaced. Timing Readers also should remember that by definition the time for an official government protest for an attack on a US embassy is always when rioters attack or deface the embassy compound itself, long before they violate or penetrate the US sovereign territory or deface the US Flag. Not nine hours later and not when the details become clear. Then it is too late to take action to keep an embassy from burning or to protect American diplomats. The objective is safety, more than knowledge. When foreign TV videos showed rioters on the walls of the US Embassy and tearing apart the US Flag on the early evening of 11 September, the time for a strong US official protest and angry telephone calls to Mursi had already passed. Every student of international affairs and international diplomacy knows this. Every experienced foreign policy staff and every competent journalist knows this. But not this State Department and not this US administration and not mainstream US news services. The US simply failed to defend itself.

    It bears repeating: apologies never mollify criminals. Only law abiding citizens believe such baloney. Criminals consider apologies to be acts of submission, especially in foreign cultures. O'Reilly at Fox needs to wise up!

    The NightWatch Chronology When NightWatch wrote last night, every news channel carried video footage of the violation of the US Embassy; the destruction of the Embassy's US flag; the raising of the Islamic flag - not the al Qaida flag, mind you - and the burning of the US flag. AFTER those events, the news services carried Ambassador Patterson's denunciation of Americans at fault. Ambassador Patterson at no time denounced in public the Islamists who violated her Embassy. When the NightWatch ended, details about the Benghazi atrocity had not yet been reported by any major news services. Subsequently, Twitter and Facebook postings by the Cairo embassy, after the Libyan catastrophe was reported in the press, insisted that the Americans were wrong for hurting the feelings of the Muslims, despite the loss of life in Benghazi.

    Patterson's embassy astonishingly continued to try to minimize the loss of American life and to justify the acts of the Egyptian and Libyan crazies by blaming Americans. In an earlier era, less politically correct, old time professionals would have called this clientisis - falling in love with one's client. It is similar to Stockholm syndrome and is an occupational hazard of US diplomats. The US Embassy staff in Cairo has it, based on public, twitter and facebook postings. The bottom line is that some deferential, weak US diplomats have done more to encourage anti-American outbursts and to promote the perception of US weakness and subservience to Muslims than US citizens exercising free speech. They need to be vetted and replaced because they do not speak for us.

    Final note, in most less-developed countries of the world, from Morocco to Indonesia, no one believes the press is free of government control. There is no free press in any of those countries. Thus their leaders, analysts and others disbelieve the US press is free of government control. They mirror-image their own conditions and project them onto the US. NightWatch has talked with senior foreign officials who simply refuse to believe the American press is free of US government control and manipulation. US official apologies for the actions of private citizens reinforce this astonishing misperception, around the world. Libya: Multiple sources have reported more details on the events that led to the death of Ambassador Stephens. The details suggest this was another case of well-intentioned but misguided hubris by Americans, as to their own safety, and well-aimed and well- targeted attacks by the Muslim attackers. This appears, in fact, to have been a deliberate assassination of an effective diplomat, within the cover of an anti-US demonstration in Benghazi. The reporting indicates that the number of fundamental US security and intelligence lapses, blunders and examples of ineptitude make the efforts of Libyan security and of a local, loyal militia force to protect the US Consulate look heroic by comparison.

    Comment: The State Department admitted that the Ambassador and an information management officer - an ex-US Air Force veteran - were killed. Foreign media reported two US Marines also were killed. The website for gateway pundit carries video images of US Ambassador Stevens' body being dragged through the streets of Benghazi by his Muslims miscreant murderers. All mainstream US media failed to report that the Muslim miscreants not only killed the US ambassador, they defiled his body.

    Note to analysts: It is important for intelligence analysts to never forget that the fundamental purpose of US intelligence, as stated in the legislative history of the US National Security Act of 1947, is to keep the US, its persons, property and its interests safe. Yesterday, US intelligence apparently did none of them.
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    Molon, you keep trucking out this quote, and I keep demolishing it:

    In the long run, we're not safer because we’re still operating on the assumption that we’re hated because of our freedoms, when in fact we’re hated because of our actions in the Islamic world. There’s our military presence in Islamic countries, the perception that we control the Muslim world’s oil production, our support for Israel and for countries that oppress Muslims such as China, Russia, and India, and our own support for Arab tyrannies."
    If this were true, then we would not have had to fight the Barbary Pirate Wars. If this were true, then the Danish Mohammed cartoons wouldn't have led to hundreds of deaths (Denmark has never been a military, much less a colonial, power). If it were true, then Obama's policies of mollifying Muslims would have prevented this violence. This quote is just self-serving crap from the State Department, which argues that if we simply did what the permanent bureaucracy told us to do, then everything would be just fine in the world, but, as always, when we do what they tell us to do, we end up with situations like this. Bill Clinton spent the 90s throwing money at Afghanistan, but they still harbored Bin Laden. We've spent decades providing the Saudis with the technical expertise to extract oil, for which we then pay through the nose, but they still bankroll radicalism. Obama has done everything short of grovelling before Ahmedinejad, and Iran continues to slap away his hand whenever he offers it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    Then it would probably be a good idea to get the little bastards under control wouldn't it?
    It is to everyone except you it would seem.

    You want us to apologize for intruding and beat feet back to our own borders.

    Just like Obama.

    Look, I know fully well that I will never convince any of you that it is more than we hate "freedom". You will believe what you wish to believe. Are there those in Islam that hate western freedom?...... Yeah probably a bunch. But not enough to cause the type turmoil the M.E. is in. But if you add in another element, such as the perception real or unreal that the west is encroaching.....and you deny that encroaching into sphere's of influence doesn't exacerbate it, and help recruit against the West, then we are going to keep seeing the same thing happen over and over and over.
    You are not only nave you're a fool. A dangerous combination when it comes to these issues. And you're so uninformed on this crap you have resorted to DNC talking points. Right now you sound like a spokes person for Obama 2012 or DU.

    You also display a complete lack of comprehension of the Muslim mind. IF they can't convert us or claim our lands...they'll kill us. It really is that simple.

    Right now around the world they are waging a two pronged attack. Sharia only areas in England and other countries demanding male police and parking enforcement officers in areas where Muslim immigrants reside. Not to mention their victory mosque in sight of where the twin towers USED to stand.

    Meanwhile we've got a President that is AWOL when our best ally in the area needs us the most...tacitly giving a green light to a sworn enemy of ours as well as Israel's to attack without fear of repercussions from the U.S.

    The Muslim culture understands and respects strength...and right now they don't see much to respect or even fear from the U.S.

    And you seem to be happy about it too for that matter.


    It's just not good foreign policy and it will eventually be our undoing.
    Our undoing will be a weak foreign policy of appeasement and retreat. Something you seem to gleefully embrace.

    What you propose...the Islamists see as weakness to be exploited...just like they did on 9/11 after years of Clinton gutting the military and lobbing empty rhetoric in response to their attacks on Americans abroad.

    Obama is setting us up for that again. Thankfully it's almost November and we can get him out of office before he does any further damage.

    A strong National Defense has nothing to do with projecting everywhere.
    That power projection is what allows us to maintain our presence in the world and for the most part keep any enemy we engage at a very safe distance from our shores.

    You want to bring them into our back yard for a fight.

    I'm far more concerned with our debt, economy
    And your concern in in the wrong place...in your very simplistic Ronluan you think we can fix the budget problem by just bring all our troops home from around the world and that's that. When in reality the military budget even with the cost of two wars is significantly less than the ever increasing cost of welfare and other entitlement bloat.

    You just go for the easy...Liberal target...which is typical of Liberals and Liberaltarians.

    and brothers in arms in harms way for Iraqis and Afghanis who could care less and eventually turn into Jihadists, than I am for a bunch of Muslims in caves.

    I think it's a crappy religion and full of violence and backwards practices. But I am also not scared to death of it like a lot of you are, and believe that we can't take care of the wack jobs without occupying every podunk Islamic state on earth.
    I'm not scared. I'm a realist. You're making the mistake of thinking that myself Ody and others telling everyone the harsh realities of Islam somehow equates to fear. When all we're doing is point out the consequences of ignoring the wolf at the door.


    Get our selves energy independant and off of M.E oil.
    You do realize we import more oil from Places like Canada and Mexico than we do the ME?

    I guess not since you're parroting Obama/Democrat party talking points.

    The day we find something better than petroleum is the day we leave those rat holes and let those idiots go back to living in Caves and drawing on walls.
    Spoken like a true Libtard. You're head is jammed so far up your ass on this you've taken to chanting "No blood for oil".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    You are dangerously naive.
    As most isolationists today are. Col., the above was all that really needed to be said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    I think it's a crappy religion and full of violence and backwards practices. But I am also not scared to death of it like a lot of you are, and believe that we can't take care of the wack jobs without occupying every podunk Islamic state on earth.
    Considering that some of us have gotten a good, up close look at islam and it's "culture", we have the luxury of perspective and applied knowledge. You, apparently don't and your ignorance shines through.
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    You knew it was coming. Someone had to post it...

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    Of course most, if not all Muslim countries hate America and Israel for that matter, and the reasons are many. Whatever the leaders of said countries project to the populace in order to point blame away from themselves for the crappy state of affairs in said countries and taking the money from the plunder (oil profits etc)for themselves while their people live in poverty is what we get blamed for. As far as the new govts we have a lot of work ahead since we don't have the luxury of having known them for the past 30 years and anticipating what they would do about stuff.

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