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    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    America is a paper tiger. -OBL

    I miss peace through strength.
    Nearly 25 years ago, Libya killed Americans. Reagan bombed Ghadafi's house and killled his family. We havent' heard a peep from them till now. Appeasement doesn't work with these savages. Only under the threat of attack can we keep them at bay. It's ugly, but it's the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintLouieWoman View Post
    Lanie, the biggest problem is an administration that doesn't have the sense to post extra security around embassies after there were warnings that there was major unrest. Especially with 9-11 coming up, they should have done it That's called negligence.

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    Not only that, and that is a BIG thing, he hadn't received a security breifing since September 5th! He didn't even have the sense to get one on the 10th or 11th on the Anniversary of this biggest assault ever perpetrated against this country. The White House released a statement saying Obama is the biggest Intelligence "swallower" this country has ever had, and that he didn't need no stinkin' briefing...(I ad-libbed, clearly). The Messiah is too smart to keep current on security briefings. Bush1 and Bush2 received them daily. Even the first Bush who was the director of the CIA, demanded a daily briefing of security...but our dear community organizer knows everything.

    Seriously, if you can't even trust a President in national security, how can you trust him on anything else? Without national security, the economy doesn't even matter, and we all know what he's done to the economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    So, everything is Obama's fault now?
    I'll put it simply so even you can understand it. He was NEGLIGENT. As far as I'm concerned, he was COMPLICIT. He is a danger to this country and I'm not overstating it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Molon, you keep trucking out this quote, and I keep demolishing it:

    In the long run, we're not safer because we’re still operating on the assumption that we’re hated because of our freedoms, when in fact we’re hated because of our actions in the Islamic world. There’s our military presence in Islamic countries, the perception that we control the Muslim world’s oil production, our support for Israel and for countries that oppress Muslims such as China, Russia, and India, and our own support for Arab tyrannies."
    If this were true, then we would not have had to fight the Barbary Pirate Wars. If this were true, then the Danish Mohammed cartoons wouldn't have led to hundreds of deaths (Denmark has never been a military, much less a colonial, power). If it were true, then Obama's policies of mollifying Muslims would have prevented this violence. This quote is just self-serving crap from the State Department, which argues that if we simply did what the permanent bureaucracy told us to do, then everything would be just fine in the world, but, as always, when we do what they tell us to do, we end up with situations like this. Bill Clinton spent the 90s throwing money at Afghanistan, but they still harbored Bin Laden. We've spent decades providing the Saudis with the technical expertise to extract oil, for which we then pay through the nose, but they still bankroll radicalism. Obama has done everything short of grovelling before Ahmedinejad, and Iran continues to slap away his hand whenever he offers it.

    You are dangerously naive.
    Yes, I know...you're a legend in your own mind Ody.

    I consistantly call for a little more restraint when frolicking around the globe and I'm "isolationist".

    So you think we aren't involved around the globe enough?

    Who is bankrolling radicalism? You might want to look again at who funded the Mujahadeen in the 80's and trained them, and who just spent a cool couple hundred million buying playtoys and expertise for our little buddies in Libya.

    I'm naive?

    Good f'n grief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    I'm "isolationist".
    I'm naive?

    Good f'n grief.
    Now there you go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Now there you go.
    Admission is the First Step to Recovery.
    I think he may still be in the Denial stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Now there you go.
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    Wow! ...

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    Double post! Sorry, didn't think it posted first time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkgirl View Post
    Not only that, and that is a BIG thing, he hadn't received a security breifing since September 5th! He didn't even have the sense to get one on the 10th or 11th on the Anniversary of this biggest assault ever perpetrated against this country. The White House released a statement saying Obama is the biggest Intelligence "swallower" this country has ever had, and that he didn't need no stinkin' briefing...(I ad-libbed, clearly). The Messiah is too smart to keep current on security briefings. Bush1 and Bush2 received them daily. Even the first Bush who was the director of the CIA, demanded a daily briefing of security...but our dear community organizer knows everything.

    Seriously, if you can't even trust a President in national security, how can you trust him on anything else? Without national security, the economy doesn't even matter, and we all know what he's done to the economy.
    The security of the United States is the primary responsibility of the president.
    Failing in that responsibilty would be damning under any circumstances, but refusing to even engage with the security experts is criminal negligence.
    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    Yes, I know...you're a legend in your own mind Ody.

    I consistantly call for a little more restraint when frolicking around the globe and I'm "isolationist".

    So you think we aren't involved around the globe enough?

    Who is bankrolling radicalism? You might want to look again at who funded the Mujahadeen in the 80's and trained them, and who just spent a cool couple hundred million buying playtoys and expertise for our little buddies in Libya.

    I'm naive?

    Good f'n grief.
    Naïve and ill-informed, yes. We didn't bankroll radicals. The mujahedeen were not the Taliban, which formed after the war ended. There are actually three groups that claim the name, the Mullah Omar faction, which never had US backing, the Haqqani faction, which is basically a local mafian and the Pakistani Taliban, which was formed by the ISI as a means of establishing Pakistani control of Afghanistan. None of these were bankrolled by us, and al Qaeda was formed because Bin Laden thought that the Mujahedeen who took our aid were sellouts who were dealing with hated infidels. Our allies were what became known as the Northern Alliance, which opposed the Taliban.

    Your basic knowlege of the history of the conflict is flawed and incomplete. You are applying libertarian talking points to tribal and religious conflicts, which is like trying to do brain surgery with a sledgehammer. That is why I, and everyone else here who has firsthand knowledge of the region, think that you are naïve.


    And now, because they continue to provide the best analysis of the situation, here's last night's Nightwath:

    Anti-US protests: A compilation of reporting from news services shows there were anti-American protests and demonstrations in more than 22 countries and territories. Reporting from Islamic states in Africa has been slow, and might increase the final tally. Burnings of American flags occurred from Morocco to Indonesia, including Kashmir in India and Niger, in northern Africa. Only Turkey and Saudi Arabia experienced no significant disorders. Turkey is not an Arab country and Saudi Arabia imposed security restrictions so tight that no demonstrations were permitted. This was a spasm of anti-American sentiment unlike any since the attack at the Ka'aba in 1979 in Mecca. That was the year the US Embassy was burned in Islamabad and the last time a US Ambassador was assassinated, in Kabul, Afghanistan. The most sensational attacks occurred in Tunisia, Sudan and Lebanon. In Tunis, the US Embassy compound was breached and a US school was burned. A US employee told the media that he never thought that Tunisian security and police would walk away and allow the demonstrators to break into the US Embassy compound.

    In Sudan the US, German and British embassies in Khartoum were attacked. The German Embassy was breached and burned. In Tripoli, Lebanon, two US fast food restaurants were torched. In Beirut, one person was killed and 25 wounded in clashes near the US Embassy. Eighteen of the wounded were Lebanese policemen. In Egypt, demonstrations continued for a fourth day in Cairo. They also occurred in Alexandria for the first time. In Sinai, Bedouin militants attacked a UN peacekeepers' camp in the name of protesting the anti-Muslim video.

    In Afghanistan, a large demonstration occurred in Jalalabad, near the border with Pakistan. Protestors burned President Obama in effigy. Demonstrations also occurred in Kabul, but were not reported in mainstream press. In Iraq, non-violent protests occurred in Baghdad, Hilla, Kufa, Samarra and Tikrit. In Iran, Ayatollah Khamenei continued to stoke anti-American sentiment in Tehran. It was echoed in Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Palestine and Yemen. In Pakistan, anti-American demonstrations occurred in multiple cities, but no clashes have been reported. In India, Muslim anti-American militants demonstrated in Kashmir and in Chennai.

    Anti-American demonstrations also occurred in Jakarta, Indonesia; Somalia; Jordan; London; Oman and Bangladesh, for a second day.

    Comment: One difference from past eruptions of Islamic ire is that in some Arab countries demonstrators not only denounced the US and Israel, they also denounced President Obama by name, calling for his death. This is the first time that anti-American sentiment was personified. Readers need to know that these protests were uniformly anti-American. Equally significant is that local security forces were prone to not oppose the demonstrators in multiple cases. Four US diplomatic facilities have been breached, if not burned. All occurred in states touched by the so-called Arab Spring - Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Yemen. In earlier times, Muslim preachers insisted that democracy was not consistent with Islam. They denounced it. The great change in the past two years is that Imams, encouraged by Turkey's Prime Minister Erdogan, have come to understand that democracy may be rationalized with ultra-conservative Islam as a pathway to a caliphate, by choice of the voters. To paraphrase Erdogan, democracy is a station stop, not a political end-state in itself. Even conservative Imams now seem to understand Erdogan's wisdom. Islamists, Salafists and the Muslim Brotherhood are using elections to advance their objective of creating Islamic governments in the Arab Spring states. Islamic monarchies will be the next targets after the Islamic democracies consolidate power, provided they can. After that, Israel is the target.

    US-Libya: Update: The British news outlet, The Independent, today published a detailed list of the extent of the security disaster in Benghazi, which goes beyond the tragic murders. According to The Independent, laptops were stolen that contain lists of Libyans who cooperate with the Americans, classified papers were taken and classified data was compromised. NightWatch cannot corroborate the statements in the article in The Independent. However, NightWatch can attest that anytime a sensitive US facility or asset is seized, secrets are compromised. An organized and carefully planned penetration of any diplomatic facility anywhere could afford a disciplined attacker access to sensitive information that jeopardizes far more lives than the four Americans killed this week. Finally, for the record, Readers should know that the authoritative source for information on the security arrangements at US embassies around the world is the State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security.

    End of NightWatch for 14 September. NightWatch is brought to you by Kforce Government Solutions, Inc. (KGS)
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